I'd like to try and get Derek Carr

SmashMouth · 05-10-2025, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

Yes it helps with the cap long term. How much of that help comes in 2025 or 2026 is hard to say. Anything that is not carrying Carr’s $50m salary helps with 2026 and with not having any desd cap from him in 2027. My estimate is $6 million cap relief in 2025, $33 million cap relief in 2026, and $41m cap reflief in 2027 compared to letting him play out his contract. Total $80m savings from $30m 2025 payback and $50m 2026 salary off the books.

If any of these rookie young QBs work out, we're soon to be in great cap shape.

jnormand · 05-10-2025, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by BakoSaint

March 2023

Bro did you just repost your old post so you can act like you’re some kind of all knowing NFL wiseman? Lol. Or maybe it was so you could say “I told you so” to people?

Idk. But that’s some funny **** man. Lol.

SmashMouth · 03-02-2023, 03:16 AM

Dubious source, FWIW.

neugey · 03-02-2023, 06:38 AM

So basically the Saints have turned into a teenager.

It's all about getting your own Carr.

stickman · 03-02-2023, 07:13 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

So basically the Saints have turned into a teenager.

It's all about getting your own Carr.

I'm kind of ashamed I laughed at that.

AsylumGuido · 03-02-2023, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by stickman

I'm kind of ashamed I laughed at that.

I just groaned a bit.

jnormand · 03-02-2023, 09:04 AM

Oh geez. The real question is how much are they gonna pay him to attempt to save Allen’s job. I hope Carr can play safety, offensive line, LB and WR because if they gave him too much money, we won’t have the money to sign people to those positions. Unless we hit every single pick in the draft. Which has never happened. For any team. Ever.

AsylumGuido · 03-02-2023, 09:26 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Oh geez. The real question is how much are they gonna pay him to attempt to save Allen’s job. I hope Carr can play safety, offensive line, LB and WR because if they gave him too much money, we won’t have the money to sign people to those positions. Unless we hit every single pick in the draft. Which has never happened. For any team. Ever.

We have the available cap to sign all of those positions. Contracts can be structured with minimal first year cap hits quite easily.

Rugby Saint II · 03-02-2023, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We have the available cap to sign all of those positions. Contracts can be structured with minimal first year cap hits quite easily.

How many times have we had to let good players go because we could not afford to keep them and they balled out when they left? I don't know but it's way too many. The championships were littered with players we couldn't afford to keep because of restructured contracts while we act like a teen ager with dad's credit card. Sometimes you have to pick your poison. I'm no accountant but I do know that all bills eventually have to be paid off. I don't want to move money forward just to lose valuable contributors at the cost of mortgaging the future for some wins now.

The only way out of this scenario seems to be better cap management or cleaning house eventually of bloated contracts to get some relief. The cap goes up annually but our spending seems to be rising even faster and we have barely been treading water for years.

Drew is gone and so is Sean and yet we are still playing the shell game as if they were both here. If Derek Carr is the chosen one and leads the Saints to the playoffs every year then we can keep kicking the can down the road. If not, then there is likely a harsh rebuild in the immediate future.

AsylumGuido · 03-02-2023, 04:11 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

How many times have we had to let good players go because we could not afford to keep them and they balled out when they left? I don't know but it's way too many. The championships were littered with players we couldn't afford to keep because of restructured contracts while we act like a teen ager with dad's credit card. Sometimes you have to pick your poison. I'm no accountant but I do know that all bills eventually have to be paid off. I don't want to move money forward just to lose valuable contributors at the cost of mortgaging the future for some wins now.

The only way out of this scenario seems to be better cap management or cleaning house eventually of bloated contracts to get some relief. The cap goes up annually but our spending seems to be rising even faster and we have barely been treading water for years.

Drew is gone and so is Sean and yet we are still playing the shell game as if they were both here. If Derek Carr is the chosen one and leads the Saints to the playoffs every year then we can keep kicking the can down the road. If not, then there is likely a harsh rebuild in the immediate future.

We have not let players go because we could not pay them. We have, however, chosen to not pay them what they were demanding. That's a huge difference. Name a single player that left because we could not pay them. I can show you that we had the cap available in every case. All NFL teams let players go when the player wants more than the team is willing to pay. That's not a Saints thing. That's the case with all 32 teams in the league.

As for not being an accountant, that's what my degree is in, Accounting. That's why I am so much into the cap management. We have the cap, it is simply how it is being accounted that some cannot fathom, it appears.

I repeat, the cap is going to be in excess of $300 million before the end of this decade. Given the latest deals that is a given. Also by the end of this decade it's likely almost every team in the league will have adopted this same method of cap management technique.

05-10-2025, 10:57 PM	#1
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,197 Blog Entries: 29	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by BakoSaint Yes it helps with the cap long term. How much of that help comes in 2025 or 2026 is hard to say. Anything that is not carrying Carr’s $50m salary helps with 2026 and with not having any desd cap from him in 2027. My estimate is $6 million cap relief in 2025, $33 million cap relief in 2026, and $41m cap reflief in 2027 compared to letting him play out his contract. Total $80m savings from $30m 2025 payback and $50m 2026 salary off the books. If any of these rookie young QBs work out, we're soon to be in great cap shape.

05-10-2025, 04:59 PM	#2
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,795	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by BakoSaint March 2023 Bro did you just repost your old post so you can act like you’re some kind of all knowing NFL wiseman? Lol. Or maybe it was so you could say “I told you so” to people? Idk. But that’s some funny **** man. Lol.

03-02-2023, 03:16 AM	#3
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 39,197 Blog Entries: 29	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Twitter Dubious source, FWIW.

03-02-2023, 06:38 AM	#4
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,880 Blog Entries: 13	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr So basically the Saints have turned into a teenager. It's all about getting your own Carr.

03-02-2023, 07:13 AM	#5
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,819	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by neugey So basically the Saints have turned into a teenager. It's all about getting your own Carr. I'm kind of ashamed I laughed at that.

03-02-2023, 08:40 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by stickman I'm kind of ashamed I laughed at that. I just groaned a bit.

03-02-2023, 09:04 AM	#7
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,795	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Oh geez. The real question is how much are they gonna pay him to attempt to save Allen’s job. I hope Carr can play safety, offensive line, LB and WR because if they gave him too much money, we won’t have the money to sign people to those positions. Unless we hit every single pick in the draft. Which has never happened. For any team. Ever.

03-02-2023, 09:26 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by jnormand Oh geez. The real question is how much are they gonna pay him to attempt to save Allen’s job. I hope Carr can play safety, offensive line, LB and WR because if they gave him too much money, we won’t have the money to sign people to those positions. Unless we hit every single pick in the draft. Which has never happened. For any team. Ever. We have the available cap to sign all of those positions. Contracts can be structured with minimal first year cap hits quite easily.

03-02-2023, 02:13 PM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,203	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We have the available cap to sign all of those positions. Contracts can be structured with minimal first year cap hits quite easily. How many times have we had to let good players go because we could not afford to keep them and they balled out when they left? I don't know but it's way too many. The championships were littered with players we couldn't afford to keep because of restructured contracts while we act like a teen ager with dad's credit card. Sometimes you have to pick your poison. I'm no accountant but I do know that all bills eventually have to be paid off. I don't want to move money forward just to lose valuable contributors at the cost of mortgaging the future for some wins now. The only way out of this scenario seems to be better cap management or cleaning house eventually of bloated contracts to get some relief. The cap goes up annually but our spending seems to be rising even faster and we have barely been treading water for years. Drew is gone and so is Sean and yet we are still playing the shell game as if they were both here. If Derek Carr is the chosen one and leads the Saints to the playoffs every year then we can keep kicking the can down the road. If not, then there is likely a harsh rebuild in the immediate future.
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03-02-2023, 04:11 PM	#10
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,871	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II How many times have we had to let good players go because we could not afford to keep them and they balled out when they left? I don't know but it's way too many. The championships were littered with players we couldn't afford to keep because of restructured contracts while we act like a teen ager with dad's credit card. Sometimes you have to pick your poison. I'm no accountant but I do know that all bills eventually have to be paid off. I don't want to move money forward just to lose valuable contributors at the cost of mortgaging the future for some wins now. The only way out of this scenario seems to be better cap management or cleaning house eventually of bloated contracts to get some relief. The cap goes up annually but our spending seems to be rising even faster and we have barely been treading water for years. Drew is gone and so is Sean and yet we are still playing the shell game as if they were both here. If Derek Carr is the chosen one and leads the Saints to the playoffs every year then we can keep kicking the can down the road. If not, then there is likely a harsh rebuild in the immediate future. We have not let players go because we could not pay them. We have, however, chosen to not pay them what they were demanding. That's a huge difference. Name a single player that left because we could not pay them. I can show you that we had the cap available in every case. All NFL teams let players go when the player wants more than the team is willing to pay. That's not a Saints thing. That's the case with all 32 teams in the league. As for not being an accountant, that's what my degree is in, Accounting. That's why I am so much into the cap management. We have the cap, it is simply how it is being accounted that some cannot fathom, it appears. I repeat, the cap is going to be in excess of $300 million before the end of this decade. Given the latest deals that is a given. Also by the end of this decade it's likely almost every team in the league will have adopted this same method of cap management technique.
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