The Deep QB Draft

K Major · 03-08-2021, 11:44 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Question...we are still waiting for Gotohell to take away another pick for Kamara’s violations of “health” protocols, right? So, the Saints will likely have at least one less pick than scheduled as I understand things. Am I wrong (I hope so)?

Knowing Roger G, they'll take away our 3rd rounder we got for 2 Glove Teddy

.

Let's see if anything happens to Pittsburgh, Broncos or Ravens for a similar Covid violation.

Rugby Saint II · 03-08-2021, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Knowing Roger G, they'll take away our 3rd rounder we got for 2 Glove Teddy .

Let's see if anything happens to Pittsburgh, Broncos or Ravens for a similar Covid violation.

Godhell will make a statement and take a third round just to get his points across that this will not be tolerated by the Saints. Everyone else gets off Scott free. Hell, Goodell may give one of the offending teams our draft pick.

AsylumGuido · 03-08-2021, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Godhell will make a statement and take a third round just to get his points across that this will not be tolerated by the Saints. Everyone else gets off Scott free. Hell, Goodell may give one of the offending teams our draft pick.

To be honest, the Saints were multiple offenders. The Raiders got the same treatment for the same violations.

neugey · 03-08-2021, 11:32 AM

This draft is deeper than just the ordained 5-6 QB's. There are other sleeper QB's out there (particularly Ian Book) and I have a feeling at least a few of those sleepers will hit and be solid NFL QB's.

AsylumGuido · 03-08-2021, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

This draft is deeper than just the ordained 5-6 QB's. There are other sleeper QB's out there (particularly Ian Book) and I have a feeling at least a few of those sleepers will hit and be solid NFL QB's.

Do you seriously think there are six or seven starting quality QB's in the draft? Historically there are seldom more than three or four that ever become full-time starters. Usually less than that. Of those three or four only one or two become what could be called "franchise QB's". Sure, there was the greatest draft class ever in 1983 with Marino, Elway, Kelly, and O'Brien. You can even throw in Tony Eason who started his share of games, but that an extremely rare year.

Next was probably 2004 with Rivers, Big Ben, and Eli. Matt Schaub would be the only other notable starter.

2005 may be the most starters with Rodgers, Alex Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Derek Anderson, Matt Cassell, Kyle Orton, and Jason Campbell. All spent time as regular starters, but only one or two were franchise quality in my book.

You probably have to go back to 1971 for the most impactful class with Ken Anderson, Jim Plunkett, Archie, Theismann, Lynn Dickey, and Dan Pastorini.

When Peyton was selected in 1998 the other starters were Matt Hasselbeck, Brian (not Bob) Griese, Charlie Batch, and Ryan Leaf.

This just puts things in perspective. Finding a true franchise QB can take decades. Even coming across what could be considered a quality starter is still very uncommon. It's not even that often that a good journeyman QB like Fitzpatrick comes around.

neugey · 03-08-2021, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Do you seriously think there are six or seven starting quality QB's in the draft? Historically there are seldom more than three or four that ever become full-time starters. Usually less than that. Of those three or four only one or two become what could be called "franchise QB's".

I'm expecting Fields, Jones and Mond to be busts or non-factors before long. Lance is a project who if I had to bet, won't pan out. That leaves just Lawrence and Wilson and possibly 1-2 sleepers. I could be way off, but that's what my gut and time watching college ball last year is telling me.

AsylumGuido · 03-08-2021, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

I'm expecting Fields, Jones and Mond to be busts or non-factors before long. Lance is a project who if I had to bet, won't pan out. That leaves just Lawrence and Wilson and possibly 1-2 sleepers. I could be way off, but that's what my gut and time watching college ball last year is telling me.

Sounds about right. Anyone counting on a savior in the draft at QB is betting on very tiny odds. We may have to draft 20 (edit: okay, maybe 10) to get one as a viable long term starter. Unless we can manage to only win a game or two for few years in a row.

TheOak · 03-09-2021, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Sounds about right. Anyone counting on a savior in the draft at QB is betting on very tiny odds. We may have to draft 20 (edit: okay, maybe 10) to get one as a viable long term starter. Unless we can manage to only win a game or two for few years in a row.

So what’s your plan Guido... What high probability scenario would you recommend?

K Major · 03-09-2021, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

I'm expecting Fields, Jones and Mond to be busts or non-factors before long. Lance is a project who if I had to bet, won't pan out. That leaves just Lawrence and Wilson and possibly 1-2 sleepers. I could be way off, but that's what my gut and time watching college ball last year is telling me.

I see what you're saying here on these guys …

For me, I simply believe Mac Jones will struggle at the NFL level. Decent arm, could make all the right throws but this was at Bama. A machine with clean pockets to throw out of. No one will be open in the NFL.

Mac better hope he is selected by a team with a decent to good O line. Otherwise, we could see Burrow (Cincy has the worst O line in football) part II and a torn ACL

. I think Kurt Cousins will be his ceiling at the NFL level in the right system.

No clue on Trevor or Fields but I think Mond is a career back up.

Personally, I hope we go CB, LB or O line at #28. Safer picks IMO.

SmashMouth · 03-16-2021, 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I see what you're saying here on these guys …

For me, I simply believe Mac Jones will struggle at the NFL level. Decent arm, could make all the right throws but this was at Bama. A machine with clean pockets to throw out of. No one will be open in the NFL.

Mac better hope he is selected by a team with a decent to good O line. Otherwise, we could see Burrow (Cincy has the worst O line in football) part II and a torn ACL . I think Kurt Cousins will be his ceiling at the NFL level in the right system.

No clue on Trevor or Fields but I think Mond is a career back up.

Personally, I hope we go CB, LB or O line at #28. Safer picks IMO.

Sounds like Drew Brees clone?!?

03-08-2021, 11:44 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,088 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The Deep QB Draft Originally Posted by Boston Saint Question...we are still waiting for Gotohell to take away another pick for Kamara’s violations of “health” protocols, right? So, the Saints will likely have at least one less pick than scheduled as I understand things. Am I wrong (I hope so)? Knowing Roger G, they'll take away our 3rd rounder we got for 2 Glove Teddy . Let's see if anything happens to Pittsburgh, Broncos or Ravens for a similar Covid violation. Rugby Saint II and Boston Saint like this.

03-08-2021, 12:18 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,602	Re: The Deep QB Draft Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Godhell will make a statement and take a third round just to get his points across that this will not be tolerated by the Saints. Everyone else gets off Scott free. Hell, Goodell may give one of the offending teams our draft pick. To be honest, the Saints were multiple offenders. The Raiders got the same treatment for the same violations.

03-08-2021, 11:32 AM	#4
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,613 Blog Entries: 13	Re: The Deep QB Draft This draft is deeper than just the ordained 5-6 QB's. There are other sleeper QB's out there (particularly Ian Book) and I have a feeling at least a few of those sleepers will hit and be solid NFL QB's. jeanpierre likes this.

03-08-2021, 12:05 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,602	Re: The Deep QB Draft Originally Posted by neugey This draft is deeper than just the ordained 5-6 QB's. There are other sleeper QB's out there (particularly Ian Book) and I have a feeling at least a few of those sleepers will hit and be solid NFL QB's. Do you seriously think there are six or seven starting quality QB's in the draft? Historically there are seldom more than three or four that ever become full-time starters. Usually less than that. Of those three or four only one or two become what could be called "franchise QB's". Sure, there was the greatest draft class ever in 1983 with Marino, Elway, Kelly, and O'Brien. You can even throw in Tony Eason who started his share of games, but that an extremely rare year. Next was probably 2004 with Rivers, Big Ben, and Eli. Matt Schaub would be the only other notable starter. 2005 may be the most starters with Rodgers, Alex Smith, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Derek Anderson, Matt Cassell, Kyle Orton, and Jason Campbell. All spent time as regular starters, but only one or two were franchise quality in my book. You probably have to go back to 1971 for the most impactful class with Ken Anderson, Jim Plunkett, Archie, Theismann, Lynn Dickey, and Dan Pastorini. When Peyton was selected in 1998 the other starters were Matt Hasselbeck, Brian (not Bob) Griese, Charlie Batch, and Ryan Leaf. This just puts things in perspective. Finding a true franchise QB can take decades. Even coming across what could be considered a quality starter is still very uncommon. It's not even that often that a good journeyman QB like Fitzpatrick comes around. Euphoria and SaintGnome like this.
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03-08-2021, 05:02 PM	#6
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,613 Blog Entries: 13	Re: The Deep QB Draft Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Do you seriously think there are six or seven starting quality QB's in the draft? Historically there are seldom more than three or four that ever become full-time starters. Usually less than that. Of those three or four only one or two become what could be called "franchise QB's". I'm expecting Fields, Jones and Mond to be busts or non-factors before long. Lance is a project who if I had to bet, won't pan out. That leaves just Lawrence and Wilson and possibly 1-2 sleepers. I could be way off, but that's what my gut and time watching college ball last year is telling me.

03-08-2021, 12:13 PM	#2
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,810	Re: The Deep QB Draft Originally Posted by K Major Knowing Roger G, they'll take away our 3rd rounder we got for 2 Glove Teddy . Let's see if anything happens to Pittsburgh, Broncos or Ravens for a similar Covid violation. Godhell will make a statement and take a third round just to get his points across that this will not be tolerated by the Saints. Everyone else gets off Scott free. Hell, Goodell may give one of the offending teams our draft pick. jnormand and darksoul35 like this.

03-08-2021, 05:10 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,602	Re: The Deep QB Draft Originally Posted by neugey I'm expecting Fields, Jones and Mond to be busts or non-factors before long. Lance is a project who if I had to bet, won't pan out. That leaves just Lawrence and Wilson and possibly 1-2 sleepers. I could be way off, but that's what my gut and time watching college ball last year is telling me. Sounds about right. Anyone counting on a savior in the draft at QB is betting on very tiny odds. We may have to draft 20 (edit: okay, maybe 10) to get one as a viable long term starter. Unless we can manage to only win a game or two for few years in a row.

03-09-2021, 12:03 PM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,980	Re: The Deep QB Draft Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Sounds about right. Anyone counting on a savior in the draft at QB is betting on very tiny odds. We may have to draft 20 (edit: okay, maybe 10) to get one as a viable long term starter. Unless we can manage to only win a game or two for few years in a row. So what’s your plan Guido... What high probability scenario would you recommend?

03-09-2021, 12:19 PM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,088 Blog Entries: 3	Re: The Deep QB Draft Originally Posted by neugey I'm expecting Fields, Jones and Mond to be busts or non-factors before long. Lance is a project who if I had to bet, won't pan out. That leaves just Lawrence and Wilson and possibly 1-2 sleepers. I could be way off, but that's what my gut and time watching college ball last year is telling me. I see what you're saying here on these guys … For me, I simply believe Mac Jones will struggle at the NFL level. Decent arm, could make all the right throws but this was at Bama. A machine with clean pockets to throw out of. No one will be open in the NFL. Mac better hope he is selected by a team with a decent to good O line. Otherwise, we could see Burrow (Cincy has the worst O line in football) part II and a torn ACL . I think Kurt Cousins will be his ceiling at the NFL level in the right system. No clue on Trevor or Fields but I think Mond is a career back up. Personally, I hope we go CB, LB or O line at #28. Safer picks IMO.
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03-16-2021, 03:09 PM	#10
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,230 Blog Entries: 29	Re: The Deep QB Draft Originally Posted by K Major I see what you're saying here on these guys … For me, I simply believe Mac Jones will struggle at the NFL level. Decent arm, could make all the right throws but this was at Bama. A machine with clean pockets to throw out of. No one will be open in the NFL. Mac better hope he is selected by a team with a decent to good O line. Otherwise, we could see Burrow (Cincy has the worst O line in football) part II and a torn ACL . I think Kurt Cousins will be his ceiling at the NFL level in the right system. No clue on Trevor or Fields but I think Mond is a career back up. Personally, I hope we go CB, LB or O line at #28. Safer picks IMO. Sounds like Drew Brees clone?!?

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