Saints and Jameis Winston reach an agreement on a 1-year deal

subguy · 03-17-2021, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

What other options do you think the Saints front office should have explored based on our current situation as it pertains to the QB position post Brees & cap ? Maybe trade for Minshew? Fig Newton, Marcus Marriota or roll with Taysom? Or push all your chips forward in drafting a QB in the 1st rd of the upcoming draft?

Unfortunately for us Russ Wilson isn't an option in New Orleans.

It is easy to be critical from the sidelines and we probably played the best option we had. It is more a criticism of Winston as opposed to criticism of the front office

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-17-2021, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by subguy

It certailnly is concerning to watch our D be dismantled as it is this off-season.

Now that you now have signed 30/30 at QB, since you plan on him being lower to middle of the pack, there has to be some other focus or plan for the Saints.

We just lost a team leader, a 70% completion QB that was able to help make up the delta of weak defenses over the years. You don't have that luxury with Winston. If he can't correct, bad judgment in the check down, it will be a long season.

I hope for the best

Why does everyone expect Winston to have exactly the same type of performance as the last time he was a full time starter? Is it because he's on the same team, with the same coaches, the same offensive line, and the same defense?

It took Brady 3/4 of a season to undo the damage in personnel, scheme, and coaching to turn the pirate ship around. There was lots and lots of bad judgement to spread around in the Bucs organization in 2019.

Payton's offense is predicated on have a multi layered passing game, always with an outlet, and simpler half field reads. It's designed to highlight the strengths of the QB and to minimize the weaknesses.

Winston demonstrated in his short stint in the 2nd half of the SF game that dumping the ball off to Kamara is a smart move that he's capable of pulling off.

So, I severely doubt that the Saints are planning on Winston being in the middle to lower tier of QBs in the NFL.

SFIAH

subguy · 03-17-2021, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Why does everyone expect Winston to have exactly the same type of performance as the last time he was a full time starter? Is it because he's on the same team, with the same coaches, the same offensive line, and the same defense?

It took Brady 3/4 of a season to undo the damage in personnel, scheme, and coaching to turn the pirate ship around. There was lots and lots of bad judgement to spread around in the Bucs organization in 2019.

Payton's offense is predicated on have a multi layered passing game, always with an outlet, and simpler half field reads. It's designed to highlight the strengths of the QB and to minimize the weaknesses.

Winston demonstrated in his short stint in the 2nd half of the SF game that dumping the ball off to Kamara is a smart move that he's capable of pulling off.

So, I severely doubt that the Saints are planning on Winston being in the middle to lower tier of QBs in the NFL.

SFIAH

I think he learned as much as he could under Brees. I don't think that he doesn't have the talent or the arm I just think he's prone to make a lot of bad judgment calls and I don't think that can be fixed by watching a quarterback like Drew Brees for a year. Obviously, I could be wrong so could any of the detractors but so could all the people who are singing his praise right now.

Rugby Saint II · 03-20-2021, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by subguy

I think he learned as much as he could under Brees. I don't think that he doesn't have the talent or the arm I just think he's prone to make a lot of bad judgment calls and I don't think that can be fixed by watching a quarterback like Drew Brees for a year. Obviously, I could be wrong so could any of the detractors but so could all the people who are singing his praise right now.

Nailed it!

st thomas · 03-16-2021, 08:48 PM

Another rookie QB to dominate Payton and Brees , you got it Jamison Winston 2015 thought I’d add that

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saintsfan1976 · 03-17-2021, 04:22 AM

I wish he'd stop putting his fingers in his mouth. I have to remind my 3 year old of that.

Boston Saint · 03-17-2021, 01:26 PM

As far as talent being lost, there was no way the money offered to T. rex was going to be matched by the Saints, cap or not. Brown, Murray, Jenkins, and Sanders are the ones that hurt most and were most a result of the cap issues. IMO. Let’s see what the team does via draft/signings to address things.

Rugby Saint II · 03-17-2021, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

As far as talent being lost, there was no way the money offered to T. rex was going to be matched by the Saints, cap or not. Brown, Murray, Jenkins, and Sanders are the ones that hurt most and were most a result of the cap issues. IMO. Let’s see what the team does via draft/signings to address things.

I hope that we get a comp pick for everyone of those but I realize that there is a limit. So it's a good thing that we can't afford expensive free agents. Yes, I know Brown was traded. One of the places we shine is finding up and coming young players who fit the system or just needs good coaching in a fresh environment.

03-17-2021, 05:56 PM	#1
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,099	Re: Saints and Jameis Winston reach an agreement on a 1-year deal Originally Posted by K Major What other options do you think the Saints front office should have explored based on our current situation as it pertains to the QB position post Brees & cap ? Maybe trade for Minshew? Fig Newton, Marcus Marriota or roll with Taysom? Or push all your chips forward in drafting a QB in the 1st rd of the upcoming draft? Unfortunately for us Russ Wilson isn't an option in New Orleans. It is easy to be critical from the sidelines and we probably played the best option we had. It is more a criticism of Winston as opposed to criticism of the front office

03-17-2021, 01:01 PM	#2
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,781	Re: Saints and Jameis Winston reach an agreement on a 1-year deal Originally Posted by subguy It certailnly is concerning to watch our D be dismantled as it is this off-season. Now that you now have signed 30/30 at QB, since you plan on him being lower to middle of the pack, there has to be some other focus or plan for the Saints. We just lost a team leader, a 70% completion QB that was able to help make up the delta of weak defenses over the years. You don't have that luxury with Winston. If he can't correct, bad judgment in the check down, it will be a long season. I hope for the best Why does everyone expect Winston to have exactly the same type of performance as the last time he was a full time starter? Is it because he's on the same team, with the same coaches, the same offensive line, and the same defense? It took Brady 3/4 of a season to undo the damage in personnel, scheme, and coaching to turn the pirate ship around. There was lots and lots of bad judgement to spread around in the Bucs organization in 2019. Payton's offense is predicated on have a multi layered passing game, always with an outlet, and simpler half field reads. It's designed to highlight the strengths of the QB and to minimize the weaknesses. Winston demonstrated in his short stint in the 2nd half of the SF game that dumping the ball off to Kamara is a smart move that he's capable of pulling off. So, I severely doubt that the Saints are planning on Winston being in the middle to lower tier of QBs in the NFL. SFIAH saintfan, gosaints1 and K Major like this.
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03-17-2021, 05:59 PM	#3
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,099	Re: Saints and Jameis Winston reach an agreement on a 1-year deal Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Why does everyone expect Winston to have exactly the same type of performance as the last time he was a full time starter? Is it because he's on the same team, with the same coaches, the same offensive line, and the same defense? It took Brady 3/4 of a season to undo the damage in personnel, scheme, and coaching to turn the pirate ship around. There was lots and lots of bad judgement to spread around in the Bucs organization in 2019. Payton's offense is predicated on have a multi layered passing game, always with an outlet, and simpler half field reads. It's designed to highlight the strengths of the QB and to minimize the weaknesses. Winston demonstrated in his short stint in the 2nd half of the SF game that dumping the ball off to Kamara is a smart move that he's capable of pulling off. So, I severely doubt that the Saints are planning on Winston being in the middle to lower tier of QBs in the NFL. SFIAH I think he learned as much as he could under Brees. I don't think that he doesn't have the talent or the arm I just think he's prone to make a lot of bad judgment calls and I don't think that can be fixed by watching a quarterback like Drew Brees for a year. Obviously, I could be wrong so could any of the detractors but so could all the people who are singing his praise right now. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.

03-20-2021, 12:04 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,119	Re: Saints and Jameis Winston reach an agreement on a 1-year deal Originally Posted by subguy I think he learned as much as he could under Brees. I don't think that he doesn't have the talent or the arm I just think he's prone to make a lot of bad judgment calls and I don't think that can be fixed by watching a quarterback like Drew Brees for a year. Obviously, I could be wrong so could any of the detractors but so could all the people who are singing his praise right now. Nailed it!

03-16-2021, 08:48 PM	#5
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Saints and Jameis Winston reach an agreement on a 1-year deal Another rookie QB to dominate Payton and Brees , you got it Jamison Winston 2015 thought I’d add that Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Boston Saint likes this.

03-17-2021, 04:22 AM	#7
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,975 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints and Jameis Winston reach an agreement on a 1-year deal I wish he'd stop putting his fingers in his mouth. I have to remind my 3 year old of that. iceshack149 and Rugby Saint II like this.

03-17-2021, 01:26 PM	#8
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Saints and Jameis Winston reach an agreement on a 1-year deal As far as talent being lost, there was no way the money offered to T. rex was going to be matched by the Saints, cap or not. Brown, Murray, Jenkins, and Sanders are the ones that hurt most and were most a result of the cap issues. IMO. Let’s see what the team does via draft/signings to address things. jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

03-17-2021, 02:33 PM	#9
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,119	Re: Saints and Jameis Winston reach an agreement on a 1-year deal Originally Posted by Boston Saint As far as talent being lost, there was no way the money offered to T. rex was going to be matched by the Saints, cap or not. Brown, Murray, Jenkins, and Sanders are the ones that hurt most and were most a result of the cap issues. IMO. Let’s see what the team does via draft/signings to address things. I hope that we get a comp pick for everyone of those but I realize that there is a limit. So it's a good thing that we can't afford expensive free agents. Yes, I know Brown was traded. One of the places we shine is finding up and coming young players who fit the system or just needs good coaching in a fresh environment. Boston Saint likes this.

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