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jeanpierre 05-22-2021 02:32 PM

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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2021 New Orleans Saints - Rounding out the Right 90-man Roster

OFFENSE

QB (3) 2 - Jameis Winston (FA 2021), 7 - Taysom Hill, 15 - Trevor Siemian (RFC 2021), 16 - Ian Book (R4, P133)

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray, 24 - Dwayne Washington (FA 2021), 37 - Tony Jones Jr. (RFC 2021), 34 - Stevie Scott III (UDFA 2021)

FB (1) 40 - Alex Armah (FA 2021), 45 - Garrett Griffin (RFC 2021)

WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 12 - Marquez Callaway, 19 - Jake Lampman (RFC 2021)

WR-S (2) 88 - Ty Montgomery (FA 2021), 83 - Juwan Johnson (ERFA 2021), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (ERFA 2021), 85 - Easop Winston (FA 2021)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 73 - Ethan Greenidge, 68 - Kyle Murphy (FA 2021)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 74 - James Hurst (FA 2021), 68 - Derrick Kelly

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy, 64 - Will Clapp (RFA 2021), 61 - Christian Montano (FA 2021)

RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz, 76 - Calvin Throckmorton (RFC 2021), 65 - Mike Brown (UDFA 2021)

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 67 - Landon Young (R6, P206)

TE (3) 82 - Adam Trautman, 81 - Nick Vannett (FA 2021), 86 - Ethan Wolf (RFC 2021), 89 - Dylan Soehner (UDFA 2021)

WR-Z (2) 10 - Tre'Quan Smith, 11 - Deonte Harris, 14 - Kawaan Baker (R7, P255), 17 - Jalen McCleskey (FA 2021)


DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson, 57 - Noah Spence (FA 2021), 59 - Marcus Willoughby (RFC 2021)

NT (2) 99 - Shy Tuttle, 95 - Ryan Glasgow (RFC 2021), 00 - Albert Huggins (FA 2021), 00 - Lorenzo Neal, Jr (UDFA 2021)

DT (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Malcolm Roach, 91 - Josiah Bronson (UDFA 2021), 77 - Jalen Dalton (RFC 2021)

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 98 - Payton Turner (R1, P28), 90 - Tanoh Kpassagnon, 70 - Christian Ringo (RFC 2021)

WLB (2) 20 - Pete Werner (R2, P60), 42 - Chase Hansen (RFC 2021), 54 - Wynton McManis (RFC 2021)

MLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 58 - Shaq Smith (UDFA 2021), 47 - Sutton Smith (FA2021), 00 - Quentin Poling (FA 2021)

SLB (2) 53 - Zach Baun, 55 - Kaden Elliss, 50 - Andrew Dowell (RFC 2021)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2021), 38 - Keith Washington Jr.

NCB (2) 30 - Grant Haley (RFC 2021), 31 - Bryce Thompson (UDFA 2021), 35 - Lawrence Woods (UDFA 2021)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus Williams (Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag 2021), 48 - J.T. Gray (FA 2021), 32 - Eric Burrell (UDFA 2021)

SS (2) 27 - Malcolm Jenkins, 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 36 - Deuce Wallace (FA 2021)

LCB (2) 29 - Paulson Adebo (R3, P76), 21 - Patrick Robinson, 25 - Ken Crawley (FA 2021)


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 4 - Blake Gillikin, 5 - Nolan Cooney

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood

RS (*) 11 - Deonte Harris


90-man Roster Count - Total: 85; Offense: 40; Defense: 41; Kicking: 4; Practice Squad: 0


Reserve/Injured

Reserve/Non-Football Injury

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Opt-Out


KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2021)

Waivers (Wv 2021)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2021)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2021)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2021)

Practice Squad (PS 2021)

Injured, Reserve/Non-Football Injury (IR), Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), Reserve/Opt-Out (OPT)

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner

STATUS:
  • *OUT - Out/Left Game

  • *INACTIVE - Healthy Inactive

  • *PSACTIVE - Activated From Practice Squad

  • *LP - Limited Practice

  • *DNP - Did Not Practice

  • *CP - Concussion Protocol

  • *DTR - Designated To Return

jeanpierre 05-22-2021 02:34 PM

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jeanpierre 05-22-2021 02:34 PM

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jeanpierre 05-22-2021 02:35 PM

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jeanpierre 05-22-2021 02:35 PM

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Audiotom 05-22-2021 05:56 PM

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Latavius Murray is back?

I really thought he was a great #2 back with Kamara

We really missed him in the Bucks playoff loss

jeanpierre 05-23-2021 08:57 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Audiotom (Post 921025)
Latavius Murray is back?

I really thought he was a great #2 back with Kamara

We really missed him in the Bucks playoff loss

Yes. Not sure why there paying him if Sean isn't going to use him, but yeah, he's back in the black and gold...

Rugby Saint II 05-23-2021 01:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921029)
Yes. Not sure why there paying him if Sean isn't going to use him, but yeah, he's back in the black and gold...

Maybe, just maybe, Payton knows that his QB's best friend is a good running game. We no longer have Drew to rely on winning games and we'll need to mix it up to keep defenses honest under a new QB which we didn't have to have with Drew under center. I thought Murray had been cut too but I was corrected. It's just been such a quiet offseason besides hearing about our cuts and how they would affect us. He has just flown under the radar this offseason.

I really am a big fan of Murray and believe that he is a great player who can get you those difficult 3rd downs to keep the chains moving. He also knocks off some long runs as well and looks good doing it. He could be a feature back and I'm glad that we have him. He's a quiet man who likes to bowl over linemen and LB'ers. That is my kind of guy! :)

jeanpierre 05-24-2021 09:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 921041)
Maybe, just maybe, Payton knows that his QB's best friend is a good running game. We no longer have Drew to rely on winning games and we'll need to mix it up to keep defenses honest under a new QB which we didn't have to have with Drew under center. I thought Murray had been cut too but I was corrected. It's just been such a quiet offseason besides hearing about our cuts and how they would affect us. He has just flown under the radar this offseason.

I really am a big fan of Murray and believe that he is a great player who can get you those difficult 3rd downs to keep the chains moving. He also knocks off some long runs as well and looks good doing it. He could be a feature back and I'm glad that we have him. He's a quiet man who likes to bowl over linemen and LB'ers. That is my kind of guy! :)

You'd thought he'd realized it with an injured Brees?

jeanpierre 05-24-2021 09:03 AM

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By my count, we're still five roster spots for camp available...

jeanpierre 05-24-2021 09:04 AM

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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2021 New Orleans Saints - Getting to the 90-man Roster

OFFENSE

QB (3) 2 - Jameis Winston (FA 2021), 7 - Taysom Hill, 15 - Trevor Siemian (RFC 2021), 16 - Ian Book (R4, P133)

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray, 24 - Dwayne Washington (FA 2021), 37 - Tony Jones Jr. (RFC 2021), 34 - Stevie Scott III (UDFA 2021)

FB (1) 40 - Alex Armah (FA 2021), 45 - Garrett Griffin (RFC 2021)

WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 12 - Marquez Callaway, 19 - Jake Lampman (RFC 2021)

WR-S (2) 88 - Ty Montgomery (FA 2021), 83 - Juwan Johnson (ERFA 2021), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (ERFA 2021), 85 - Easop Winston (FA 2021)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 73 - Ethan Greenidge, 68 - Kyle Murphy (FA 2021)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 74 - James Hurst (FA 2021), 68 - Derrick Kelly

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy, 64 - Will Clapp (RFA 2021), 61 - Christian Montano (FA 2021)

RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz, 76 - Calvin Throckmorton (RFC 2021), 65 - Mike Brown (UDFA 2021)

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 67 - Landon Young (R6, P206)

TE (3) 82 - Adam Trautman, 81 - Nick Vannett (FA 2021), 86 - Ethan Wolf (RFC 2021), 89 - Dylan Soehner (UDFA 2021)

WR-Z (2) 10 - Tre'Quan Smith, 11 - Deonte Harris, 14 - Kawaan Baker (R7, P255), 17 - Jalen McCleskey (FA 2021)


DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson, 57 - Noah Spence (FA 2021), 59 - Marcus Willoughby (RFC 2021)

NT (2) 99 - Shy Tuttle, 95 - Ryan Glasgow (RFC 2021), 00 - Albert Huggins (FA 2021), 00 - Lorenzo Neal, Jr (UDFA 2021)

DT (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Malcolm Roach, 91 - Josiah Bronson (UDFA 2021), 77 - Jalen Dalton (RFC 2021)

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 98 - Payton Turner (R1, P28), 90 - Tanoh Kpassagnon, 70 - Christian Ringo (RFC 2021)

WLB (2) 20 - Pete Werner (R2, P60), 42 - Chase Hansen (RFC 2021), 54 - Wynton McManis (RFC 2021)

MLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 58 - Shaq Smith (UDFA 2021), 47 - Sutton Smith (FA2021), 00 - Quentin Poling (FA 2021)

SLB (2) 53 - Zach Baun, 55 - Kaden Elliss, 50 - Andrew Dowell (RFC 2021)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2021), 38 - Keith Washington Jr.

NCB (2) 30 - Grant Haley (RFC 2021), 31 - Bryce Thompson (UDFA 2021), 35 - Lawrence Woods (UDFA 2021)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus Williams (Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag 2021), 48 - J.T. Gray (FA 2021), 32 - Eric Burrell (UDFA 2021)

SS (2) 27 - Malcolm Jenkins, 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 36 - Deuce Wallace (FA 2021)

LCB (2) 29 - Paulson Adebo (R3, P76), 21 - Patrick Robinson, 25 - Ken Crawley (FA 2021)


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 4 - Blake Gillikin, 5 - Nolan Cooney

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood

RS (*) 11 - Deonte Harris


90-man Roster Count - Total: 85; Offense: 40; Defense: 41; Kicking: 4; Practice Squad: 0


Reserve/Injured

Reserve/Non-Football Injury

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Opt-Out


KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2021)

Waivers (Wv 2021)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2021)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2021)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2021)

Practice Squad (PS 2021)

Injured, Reserve/Non-Football Injury (IR), Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), Reserve/Opt-Out (OPT)

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner

STATUS:
  • *OUT - Out/Left Game

  • *INACTIVE - Healthy Inactive

  • *PSACTIVE - Activated From Practice Squad

  • *LP - Limited Practice

  • *DNP - Did Not Practice

  • *CP - Concussion Protocol

  • *DTR - Designated To Return

jeanpierre 05-24-2021 09:04 AM

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K Major 05-24-2021 09:59 PM

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WR-Z (2) 10 - Tre'Quan Smith

I could see a breakout season. 3quan was a vertical threat (same with Callaway) coming out of UCF & now he'll have a QB that make the long ball throw & keep defenses honest.

Not to mention this is year 4, in a contract year and knows the system.

Rugby Saint II 05-26-2021 12:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 921117)
WR-Z (2) 10 - Tre'Quan Smith

I could see a breakout season. 3quan was a vertical threat (same with Callaway) coming out of UCF & now he'll have a QB that make the long ball throw & keep defenses honest.

Not to mention this is year 4, in a contract year and knows the system.

Of course the key words are contract year. Show up or ship out. I was high on him his first year but his inconsistency got me off his band wagon by his second year. His third year just validated my opinion that he could make plays more often but he doesn't. I hope a strong armed QB hitting him deep will change my opinion on him. We really need him to step up to the #2 receiver this year. Hopefully he does.

K Major 05-26-2021 03:46 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 921188)
Of course the key words are contract year. Show up or ship out. I was high on him his first year but his inconsistency got me off his band wagon by his second year. His third year just validated my opinion that he could make plays more often but he doesn't. I hope a strong armed QB hitting him deep will change my opinion on him. We really need him to step up to the #2 receiver this year. Hopefully he does.

Nah, see him as a solid #3. He excels at blocking but does not consistently create separation.

I truly believe if Callaway can stay healthy, he will be a legit #2 WR this season.

AsylumGuido 05-26-2021 06:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 921199)
Nah, see him as a solid #3. He excels at blocking but does not consistently create separation.

I truly believe if Callaway can stay healthy, he will be a legit #2 WR this season.

See the same. We'll see. It may be that Brees' issues with injuries the last two years may have retarded Smith's development or effectiveness.

jeanpierre 05-30-2021 05:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 921117)
WR-Z (2) 10 - Tre'Quan Smith

I could see a breakout season. 3quan was a vertical threat (same with Callaway) coming out of UCF & now he'll have a QB that make the long ball throw & keep defenses honest.

Not to mention this is year 4, in a contract year and knows the system.

He'd broke out in Year 3 if he was going to do it; he may flash in a couple of games this year, but it's time to move on from Tre'quan...

jeanpierre 05-31-2021 04:59 PM

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T-Rex, third on this list, will be missed; it's now or never for Davenport as he, Granderson and Turner have some big shoes to fill...

All four (4), or more, of our DEs must step up; and it'd be nice if Ryan Nielsen, Brian Young can get Tanoh Kpassagnon's game turned around as well...



AsylumGuido 05-31-2021 05:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921374)
T-Rex, third on this list, will be missed; it's now or never for Davenport as he, Granderson and Turner have some big shoes to fill...

All four (4), or more, of our DEs must step up; and it'd be nice if Ryan Nielsen, Brian Young can get Tanoh Kpassagnon's game turned around as well...


https://twitter.com/AroundTheNFL/sta...73257573765122

Whose big shoes? I believe that Hendrickson was in the perfect situation to succeed short term. I'll bet those shoes suddenly become several sizes smaller in Cincy (like his arms). I'll wager he had his "heyday" in the Big Easy and from here on out he'll be relegated to being a role player again. Now others can take advantage here in New Orleans.

FinSaint 06-01-2021 07:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921376)
Whose big shoes? I believe that Hendrickson was in the perfect situation to succeed short term. I'll bet those shoes suddenly become several sizes smaller in Cincy (like his arms). I'll wager he had his "heyday" in the Big Easy and from here on out he'll be relegated to being a role player again. Now others can take advantage here in New Orleans.

I agree.

I don't think he'll ever eclipse the season he had with the Saints.

I'm not saying that to downplay his potential, but I think this was a classic case of a contract year performance bump.

Boston Saint 06-01-2021 07:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921376)
Whose big shoes? I believe that Hendrickson was in the perfect situation to succeed short term. I'll bet those shoes suddenly become several sizes smaller in Cincy (like his arms). I'll wager he had his "heyday" in the Big Easy and from here on out he'll be relegated to being a role player again. Now others can take advantage here in New Orleans.

Short arms or how he does in Cincy isn’t the concern. He produced pressure on the QB totaling 13+ sacks. Those are the size thirteen and a half shoes needed filling.

jeanpierre 06-01-2021 09:08 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 921381)
Short arms or how he does in Cincy isn’t the concern. He produced pressure on the QB totaling 13+ sacks. Those are the size thirteen and a half shoes needed filling.

Can't fix blind fanaticism...

jeanpierre 06-01-2021 09:08 AM

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AsylumGuido 06-01-2021 10:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 921381)
Short arms or how he does in Cincy isn’t the concern. He produced pressure on the QB totaling 13+ sacks. Those are the size thirteen and a half shoes needed filling.

And there is no doubt that there are feet ready to fill those shoes. I have little doubt that the combination of Davenport, Turner, and Granderson will have most everyone forgetting about that small blip of success that Hendrickson had on the Saints' radar.

AsylumGuido 06-01-2021 10:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921383)
Can't fix blind fanaticism...

I don't see why being a fan is something that needs fixed.

jeanpierre 06-01-2021 11:12 AM

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AsylumGuido 06-01-2021 11:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921396)

That all seem very reasonable to me. I also expect a good deal of Turner in the rotation, along with Granderson.

jeanpierre 06-01-2021 11:56 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921397)
That all seem very reasonable to me. I also expect a good deal of Turner in the rotation, along with Granderson.

Years ago, when I traveled met a senior Brother in my fraternity who was both a hockey and football coach - needless to say we hit it off immediately...

Particularly, he appreciated some of my out-of-the-box/return to tradition thinking for our fraternity as he did the same in the sports he coached...

One thing he did and it showed some success, was he'd rotate his defensive linemen wholesale, as they rotate the frontlines in hockey...

His thinking was that by the middle of the third quarter, his defensive line(s) would have more stamina than the offensive lines he was facing...

He only got into trouble when he'd come across better lines that could expose his team's lack of depth; those schools up north were amazingly huge to here...

Last season and this year, believe with an aging (and it showed) Cam Jordan, that the Saints will need to rotate DEs often so the pass rush stays fresh four quarters...

That'll be a good thing to get into a situation where we draft a new DE every other year and don't have to commit so much cap space to one player...

It worked for New England...

halloween 65 06-01-2021 03:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921399)
Years ago, when I traveled met a senior Brother in my fraternity who was both a hockey and football coach - needless to say we hit it off immediately...

Particularly, he appreciated some of my out-of-the-box/return to tradition thinking for our fraternity as he did the same in the sports he coached...

One thing he did and it showed some success, was he'd rotate his defensive linemen wholesale, as they rotate the frontlines in hockey...

His thinking was that by the middle of the third quarter, his defensive line(s) would have more stamina than the offensive lines he was facing...

He only got into trouble when he'd come across better lines that could expose his team's lack of depth; those schools up north were amazingly huge to here...

Last season and this year, believe with an aging (and it showed) Cam Jordan, that the Saints will need to rotate DEs often so the pass rush stays fresh four quarters...

That'll be a good thing to get into a situation where we draft a new DE every other year and don't have to commit so much cap space to one player...

It worked for New England...

A lot is going to depend on the big boys in the middle. Penitrait the middle, collapse the pocket. I don't believe one second Davenport has even looked close to his draft status. Give up what had to be given up should have resulted in an immediate impact player.

AsylumGuido 06-01-2021 04:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 921403)
A lot is going to depend on the big boys in the middle. Penitrait the middle, collapse the pocket. I don't believe one second Davenport has even looked close to his draft status. Give up what had to be given up should have resulted in an immediate impact player.

When not battling injury he has looked extremely impressive. One thing to note is that due to his strength against the run he has played a high percentage of early downs. While Hendrickson excelled this past season as a pass rusher (2nd in sacks) he was only tied for 103rd in the league for solo tackles and 112th in assists.

vpheughan 06-01-2021 04:30 PM

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Perception is not reality
2020 Stats *******************
Jadeveon Clowney Titans 8GAMES 17 TOT SOLO12 AST 5 SCK 0
Marcus Davenport Saints **** 11GAMES 21 TOT SOLO12 AST 9 SCK 1.5

Clowney 31 games first 3 years 10.5 sacks
Davenport 37 games first 3 years 12 sacks

Clowney was going to bring the Saints to the Promised Land, Remember?
Imagine the screaming and moaning had the Saints signed Clowney and he got injured!

Those who complain about how often injured Davenport is ignore the same thing about Clowney.

AsylumGuido 06-01-2021 04:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 921407)
Perception is not reality
2020 Stats *******************
Jadeveon Clowney Titans 8GAMES 17 TOT SOLO12 AST 5 SCK 0
Marcus Davenport Saints **** 11GAMES 21 TOT SOLO12 AST 9 SCK 1.5

Clowney 31 games first 3 years 10.5 sacks
Davenport 37 games first 3 years 12 sacks

Clowney was going to bring the Saints to the Promised Land, Remember?
Imagine the screaming and moaning had the Saints signed Clowney and he got injured!

Those who complain about how often injured Davenport is ignore the same thing about Clowney.

The sad part is that those complaining about Davenport are ignoring the fact that he has dealt with injuries and they erroneously attribute his numbers to some sort of bad play. The guy jumps off the screen when healthy. He is well worth two high 2nd round picks (which is basically what the two extremely late 1st rounders were) and one later pick.

Boston Saint 06-01-2021 05:38 PM

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No, the sad part is people that want to make excuses for Davenport and try to justify spending 2 first round draft picks on what he has brought the team and ignore the fact that his performance clearly has not been worth 2 first round draft picks.

AsylumGuido 06-02-2021 08:27 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 921409)
No, the sad part is people that want to make excuses for Davenport and try to justify spending 2 first round draft picks on what he has brought the team and ignore the fact that his performance clearly has not been worth 2 first round draft picks.

His performance has been hindered by injury and scheme, not lack of talent or ability. That isn't an "excuse". That is a fact. Whatever picks were used in his acquisition is nothing more than water under the bridge. They have no relevance moving forward. The fact is we used what was essentially two high 2nd round picks on him. These were not any sort of premium picks. Combined, however, we were able to turn them into a single premium pick and acquire what I expect to be an integral part of our defensive line for years to come.

But, haters gonna hate.

Boston Saint 06-02-2021 08:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921424)
His performance has been hindered by injury and scheme, not lack of talent or ability. That isn't an "excuse". That is a fact. Whatever picks were used in his acquisition is nothing more than water under the bridge. They have no relevance moving forward. The fact is we used what was essentially two high 2nd round picks on him. These were not any sort of premium picks. Combined, however, we were able to turn them into a single premium pick and acquire what I expect to be an integral part of our defensive line for years to come.

But, haters gonna hate.

I love how you keep pushing that “high 2nd round” BS in order to try to make your point sound valid. Especially when you were pushing the idea to trade up for first round picks on other threads because all the numbers show first round picks have a significantly higher success rate.

But Liars gonna lie.

AsylumGuido 06-02-2021 08:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 921428)
I love how you keep pushing that “high 2nd round” BS in order to try to make your point sound valid. Especially when you were pushing the idea to trade up for first round picks on other threads because all the numbers show first round picks have a significantly higher success rate.

But Liars gonna lie.

Yes, the higher the pick the greater odds of that player becoming a success. The 14th pick in the draft stands greater odds of being a success than the 27th or the 30th (the draft positions given up to move up). We basically traded two high 2nd rounders for a pick in the first half of the 1st round. Sounds good to me. Just what I have proposed, Boston.

;)

By the way, I don't get the liar bit. :confused:

Boston Saint 06-02-2021 09:13 AM

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You are being dishonest about it being two second round picks. If there is a difference between 14 and 25, There’s a difference between 25 and 38. Hence, your repeated lie about it being 2 high second rounders. Not to mention that there was no way to know the extra pick was going to be a low first rounder...an unexpected team injury here or there and that could have been a much higher pick. Hell, they finished 7-9 multiple times without serious injuries. You are using the hindsight knowledge of what the unknown-at-the-time extra pick ended up being to justify your incorrect opinion, but not allowing me to use my hindsight knowledge of his injuries to back up my correct one. You can’t have it both ways.

I don’t get the haters reference.

jeanpierre 06-02-2021 10:09 AM

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Stamina, Endurance, Ruggedness, Durability are as much a part of it athleticism...

Two firsts and a fifth are not on Davenport, just a first round pick, the three picks are on Sean...

And because of that move up in the draft, Sean had to overspend again to take McCoy when he could've been had with a first round pick...

And the subsequent picks could have been used on a CB2, another guard, a linebacker, et cetera...

The constant moving up has been more detrimental than beneficial, equally deterring to this team's success is Sean has tenure and is basically unaccountable...

jeanpierre 06-02-2021 10:12 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921430)
Yes, the higher the pick the greater odds of that player becoming a success. The 14th pick in the draft stands greater odds of being a success than the 27th or the 30th (the draft positions given up to move up). We basically traded two high 2nd rounders for a pick in the first half of the 1st round. Sounds good to me. Just what I have proposed, Boston.

;)

By the way, I don't get the liar bit. :confused:

This has been debunked more than once - The Saints and other teams have found success all over the draft board...

jeanpierre 06-02-2021 10:12 AM

Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921430)
Yes, the higher the pick the greater odds of that player becoming a success. The 14th pick in the draft stands greater odds of being a success than the 27th or the 30th (the draft positions given up to move up). We basically traded two high 2nd rounders for a pick in the first half of the 1st round. Sounds good to me. Just what I have proposed, Boston.

;)

By the way, I don't get the liar bit. :confused:

Now you're just high...


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