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AsylumGuido 07-15-2021 06:32 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923141)
Continued public displays of detachment from reality...

Pathological inability to admit when you're wrong...

If you don't like the personal attacks thrown back at you, you need only look at your own posts with a third party objective mind to explain it to you...
Revisit that post. You have described yourself to a tee. Perhaps we are of the same ilk, JP. You need to look at your own posts with the exact same objective mind.

jeanpierre 07-15-2021 06:49 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923143)
Revisit that post. You have described yourself to a tee. Perhaps we are of the same ilk, JP. You need to look at your own posts with the exact same objective mind.
No, It's you...

AsylumGuido 07-15-2021 07:03 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923147)
No, It's you...
Okay, sure. I have faults that I admit. But you are infallible in your mind.

Damn, JP. You post everything in bold! How self-obsessed is that?

Geez! You were totally wrong when you dressed down Rugs on his Ruiz and McCoy take. You came back trying to cover with a totally misguided article. I came to his defense and you went off. That pissed me off. Rugs is my friend and was totally right in what he posted.

Listen, I love you, but you do not know everything. I'm sorry, JP. That is a fact.

jeanpierre 07-15-2021 07:19 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923150)
Okay, sure. I have faults that I admit. But you are infallible in your mind.

Damn, JP. You post everything in bold! How self-obsessed is that?

Geez! You were totally wrong when you dressed down Rugs on his Ruiz and McCoy take. You came back trying to cover with a totally misguided article. I came to his defense and you went off. That pissed me off. Rugs is my friend and was totally right in what he posted.

Listen, I love you, but you do not know everything. I'm sorry, JP. That is a fact.
Only in the general statement, but you never admit you're wrong, even when it's clearly demonstrated...

You've still never given one instance or specific criticism of Sean Payton...

saintsfan1976 07-15-2021 07:20 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Have you two ever been in the same room together? If you're planning to, I'd love to be there and I'll bet you'd come out best friends.

AsylumGuido 07-15-2021 07:34 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923152)
Only in the general statement, but you never admit you're wrong, even when it's clearly demonstrated...

You've still never given one instance or specific criticism of Sean Payton...
Still waiting for your clearly demonstrated instance of being wrong in reference to the Rugs post.

And why the hell do I need to give an instance or specific criticism of Sean Payton?

He wears bad shirts at times. What else? I have to hate on Payton as much as you to get your respect? Sorry. Not going there.

AsylumGuido 07-15-2021 07:35 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 923153)
Have you two ever been in the same room together? If you're planning to, I'd love to be there and I'll bet you'd come out best friends.
I already love, JP, like a brother I haven't met yet. He still pisses me off at times.

jeanpierre 07-15-2021 07:38 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923156)
Still waiting for your clearly demonstrated instance of being wrong in reference to the Rugs post.

And why the hell do I need to give an instance or specific criticism of Sean Payton?

He wears bad shirts at times. What else? I have to hate on Payton as much as you to get your respect? Sorry. Not going there.
Challenged you more than a year ago to name one criticism and you're bringing up a recent thread?

As painful, reprehensible as it may seem, we'll wait for that one honest criticism of Sean Payton...

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AsylumGuido 07-15-2021 07:43 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923158)
Challenged you more than a year ago to name one criticism and you're bringing up a recent thread?

As painful, reprehensible as it may seem, we'll wait for that one honest criticism of Sean Payton...

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I have no criticisms of Payton. Why should I? He has led us to our best years ever by far. I am serious. Why does it torture you so that another person doesn't have the same detrimental feelings as you. I'm sorry, but that is a you problem. Not mine.

jeanpierre 07-15-2021 07:59 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923159)
I have no criticisms of Payton. Why should I? He has led us to our best years ever by far. I am serious. Why does it torture you so that another person doesn't have the same detrimental feelings as you. I'm sorry, but that is a you problem. Not mine.
You can't name one thing he's ever done wrong in a game, draft, or free agency? Not one...

AsylumGuido 07-15-2021 08:05 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923166)
You can't name one thing he's ever done wrong in a game, draft, or free agency? Not one...
Why should I? If he has I have moved well past it and don't dwell on it. You ought to try it. You are far too obsessed with your earlier disillusionments.

Has anyone ever told you to let it be and move on? Oh, wait!

That would be far too rational.

jeanpierre 07-15-2021 08:38 PM
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Name just one. A rational person would be able to name just one...

AsylumGuido 07-15-2021 09:00 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923171)
Name just one. A rational person would be able to name just one...
No. A rational person let's things go and does not dwell on trivial instances.

You should try it.

rezburna 07-15-2021 09:24 PM
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Malcolm Jenkins was the only player in the NFL last season that had 90+ tackles, 2+ sacks, 3+ interceptions, and 10+ passes defended. He’s still useful.

Boston Saint 07-15-2021 09:26 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
In all fairness, telling someone to “let it be” means there is in fact something to let be.

AsylumGuido 07-15-2021 09:26 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 923175)
Malcolm Jenkins was the only player in the NFL last season that had 90+ tackles, 2+ sacks, 3+ interceptions, and 10+ passes defended. He’s still useful.
That is beyond the cognitive ability of some, Rez.

AsylumGuido 07-15-2021 09:33 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 923176)
In all fairness, telling someone to “let it be” means there is in fact something to let be.
There's always something. Life is made up of a continuous stream of somethings. You cannot let them, however, control your being. Learn from those you can and let them all pass. Dwelling upon them is unhealthy.

jeanpierre 07-15-2021 10:28 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923173)
No. A rational person let's things go and does not dwell on trivial instances.

You should try it.
If that's the case why do you counter with a personal attack upon those who offer valid criticism of Sean Payton and his Front Office; why are you not rational and let it go?

jeanpierre 07-15-2021 10:29 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923173)
No. A rational person let's things go and does not dwell on trivial instances.

You should try it.
So you're incapable of making a criticism of Sean Payton?

jeanpierre 07-15-2021 10:33 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 923175)
Malcolm Jenkins was the only player in the NFL last season that had 90+ tackles, 2+ sacks, 3+ interceptions, and 10+ passes defended. He’s still useful.
Read that stat and I laughed at it then...

Like saying who was the first NFL player to score a defensive 2pt conversion and nearly Defensive Rookie of the Year - Stephone Anthony...

Gardner at SS would have made this secondary :cheering: last season...

And if Malcolm Jenkins has the opportunity to defend 10+ passes, that tells you offenses don't respect him...

rezburna 07-16-2021 01:01 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923186)
Read that stat and I laughed at it then...

Like saying who was the first NFL player to score a defensive 2pt conversion and nearly Defensive Rookie of the Year - Stephone Anthony...

Gardner at SS would have made this secondary :cheering: last season...

And if Malcolm Jenkins has the opportunity to defend 10+ passes, that tells you offenses don't respect him...
CJG had 13 passes defensed.

Jenkins was far from elite last year, but he was decent. I personally like him as that extra linebacker on passing downs.

FinSaint 07-16-2021 01:46 AM
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I have to agree with Rugs and AG on Ruiz and McCoy.

I remember there having been talk about SP having been unsatisfied with how McCoy handled his responsibilities at center during his rookie season. This lead to the pick of Ruiz as he was a standout college center.

Ruiz was dealing with an injury during TC, which limited his exposure to being able to practice playing at center, and perhaps most importantly, he wasn't able to build a working bond with the QBs, which I'd assume is important for a center.

I don't know how much better McCoy did with his center's responsibilities this past season, but clearly Ruiz had problems reaching his potential during his rookie season.

It would probably be better if Ruiz moved to his natural position at center and McCoy moved over to guard where he had success at the college level.

Halo 07-16-2021 08:23 AM
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Here we go.... how long will David Onyemata be suspended?
How long will Marshawn Lattimore be suspended?

Defense "Ain't dere no more!" coming soon??

AsylumGuido 07-16-2021 11:22 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923184)
So you're incapable of making a criticism of Sean Payton?
I'm sure at some point or another I have had critical thoughts about something acquainted with Sean Payton, but there is honestly nothing that comes to mind at this time. There is nothing to be gained by holding onto criticisms so I don't even try, especially when it involves someone I like and respect.

jeanpierre 07-16-2021 07:47 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923209)
I'm sure at some point or another I have had critical thoughts about something acquainted with Sean Payton, but there is honestly nothing that comes to mind at this time. There is nothing to be gained by holding onto criticisms so I don't even try, especially when it involves someone I like and respect.
So you can't come up with even one criticism?

Rugby Saint II 07-17-2021 09:52 AM
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I had to make sure that I wasn't on SR with how this thread has devolved into an argument over someone's views that are valid to them. Stop the finger pointing and have an intelligent discussion boys. In the words of Rodney King "why can't we all just get along?" Everyone has an opinion and if we disagree then maybe we can all do it without attacking fellow members character. Who Dat!

jeanpierre 07-17-2021 02:38 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 923243)
I had to make sure that I wasn't on SR with how this thread has devolved into an argument over someone's views that are valid to them. Stop the finger pointing and have an intelligent discussion boys. In the words of Rodney King "why can't we all just get along?" Everyone has an opinion and if we disagree then maybe we can all do it without attacking fellow members character. Who Dat!
Wouldn't know, never been on Saints Report...

AsylumGuido 07-17-2021 03:11 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923234)
So you can't come up with even one criticism?
No I can't. Why should I? My life doesn't revolve around criticizing people I like and respect. What part of that simple concept can you not comprehend?

Geez!

jeanpierre 07-18-2021 12:24 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923266)
No I can't. Why should I? My life doesn't revolve around criticizing people I like and respect. What part of that simple concept can you not comprehend?

Geez!
Just allowing you to continue to make my point...

jeanpierre 07-18-2021 12:25 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 923191)
CJG had 13 passes defensed.

Jenkins was far from elite last year, but he was decent. I personally like him as that extra linebacker on passing downs.
I'd rather have the linebacker as much as the nickel is better suited to face 3WR sets...

jeanpierre 07-18-2021 12:27 AM
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2021 New Orleans Saints - Few Roster Spots Still Open

OFFENSE

QB (3) 2 - Jameis Winston (FA 2021), 7 - Taysom Hill, 15 - Trevor Siemian (RFC 2021), 16 - Ian Book (R4, P133)

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray, 24 - Dwayne Washington (FA 2021), 37 - Tony Jones Jr. (RFC 2021), 34 - Stevie Scott III (UDFA 2021)

FB (1) 40 - Alex Armah (FA 2021), 45 - Garrett Griffin (RFC 2021)

WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 12 - Marquez Callaway, 19 - Jake Lampman (RFC 2021)

WR-S (2) 88 - Ty Montgomery (FA 2021), 83 - Juwan Johnson (ERFA 2021), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (ERFA 2021), 85 - Easop Winston (FA 2021)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 73 - Ethan Greenidge, 68 - Kyle Murphy (FA 2021)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 74 - James Hurst (FA 2021), 68 - Derrick Kelly

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy, 64 - Will Clapp (RFA 2021), 61 - Christian Montano (FA 2021)

RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz, 76 - Calvin Throckmorton (RFC 2021), 65 - Mike Brown (UDFA 2021)

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 67 - Landon Young (R6, P206)

TE (3) 82 - Adam Trautman, 81 - Nick Vannett (FA 2021), 86 - Ethan Wolf (RFC 2021), 89 - Dylan Soehner (UDFA 2021)

WR-Z (2) 10 - Tre'Quan Smith, 11 - Deonte Harris, 14 - Kawaan Baker (R7, P255), 17 - Jalen McCleskey (FA 2021)


DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson, 57 - Noah Spence (FA 2021), 59 - Marcus Willoughby (RFC 2021)

NT (2) 99 - Shy Tuttle, 95 - Ryan Glasgow (RFC 2021), 60 - Albert Huggins (FA 2021), 00 - Lorenzo Neal, Jr (UDFA 2021)

DT (2) 93 - David Onyemata (6 Gm Suspension), 97 - Malcolm Roach, 91 - Josiah Bronson (UDFA 2021), 77 - Jalen Dalton (RFC 2021)

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 98 - Payton Turner (R1, P28), 90 - Tanoh Kpassagnon, 70 - Christian Ringo (RFC 2021)

WLB (2) 20 - Pete Werner (R2, P60), 42 - Chase Hansen (RFC 2021), 54 - Wynton McManis (RFC 2021)

MLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 58 - Shaq Smith (UDFA 2021), 47 - Sutton Smith (FA2021), 00 - Quentin Poling (FA 2021)

SLB (2) 53 - Zach Baun, 55 - Kaden Elliss, 50 - Andrew Dowell (RFC 2021)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2021), 38 - Keith Washington Jr.

NCB (2) 30 - Grant Haley (RFC 2021), 31 - Bryce Thompson (UDFA 2021), 35 - Lawrence Woods (UDFA 2021)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus Williams (Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag 2021), 48 - J.T. Gray (FA 2021), 32 - Eric Burrell (UDFA 2021)

SS (2) 27 - Malcolm Jenkins, 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 36 - Deuce Wallace (FA 2021)

LCB (2) 29 - Paulson Adebo (R3, P76), 21 - Patrick Robinson, 25 - Ken Crawley (FA 2021)


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 4 - Blake Gillikin, 5 - Nolan Cooney

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood

RS (*) 11 - Deonte Harris


90-man Roster Count - Total: 85; Offense: 40; Defense: 41; Kicking: 4; Practice Squad: 0


Reserve/Injured

Reserve/Non-Football Injury

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Opt-Out


KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2021)

Waivers (Wv 2021)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2021)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2021)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2021)

Practice Squad (PS 2021)

Injured, Reserve/Non-Football Injury (IR), Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), Reserve/Opt-Out (OPT)

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner

STATUS:
  • *OUT - Out/Left Game

  • *INACTIVE - Healthy Inactive

  • *PSACTIVE - Activated From Practice Squad

  • *LP - Limited Practice

  • *DNP - Did Not Practice

  • *CP - Concussion Protocol

  • *DTR - Designated To Return

jeanpierre 07-18-2021 07:15 AM
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jeanpierre 07-18-2021 07:18 AM
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ChrisXVI 07-18-2021 08:20 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923297)
Dennis Allen would move TJ Watt to middle linebacker. Free Zack Baun and let him go do what he does best somewhere else.

Rugby Saint II 07-18-2021 10:57 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 923305)
Dennis Allen would move TJ Watt to middle linebacker. Free Zack Baun and let him go do what he does best somewhere else.
What could we get for him? If it's a good deal then trade him. If not give him another year to learn the new skills necessary to play LB'er.

AsylumGuido 07-18-2021 11:04 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923289)
Just allowing you to continue to make my point...
What point? You have made no point. Are you trying to convince yourself that not dwelling on the past is some sort of character flaw? Or trying to convince others?

Or are you trying to make a point that looking for everything that you can possibly criticize makes one a greater fan?

jeanpierre 07-18-2021 05:20 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923311)
What point? You have made no point. Are you trying to convince yourself that not dwelling on the past is some sort of character flaw? Or trying to convince others?

Or are you trying to make a point that looking for everything that you can possibly criticize makes one a greater fan?
You're incapable of giving an honest, non-bias'd assessment, and that goes to the bigger point you refuse to admit when you're wrong...

ChrisXVI 07-18-2021 06:45 PM
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Got a lightly used Zack Baun for you guys to pair with TJ!

*Slaps roof of car*
“You can get a lot of mileage out of this bad boy.”

K Major 07-18-2021 09:08 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport …

Hot take - this will be his best, most productive season as a Saint :p.

jeanpierre 07-18-2021 11:23 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 923346)
RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport …

Hot take - this will be his best, most productive season as a Saint :p.
Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me...


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