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jeanpierre 06-02-2021 10:13 AM
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2021 New Orleans Saints - Cap Space Problem

OFFENSE

QB (3) 2 - Jameis Winston (FA 2021), 7 - Taysom Hill, 15 - Trevor Siemian (RFC 2021), 16 - Ian Book (R4, P133)

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray, 24 - Dwayne Washington (FA 2021), 37 - Tony Jones Jr. (RFC 2021), 34 - Stevie Scott III (UDFA 2021)

FB (1) 40 - Alex Armah (FA 2021), 45 - Garrett Griffin (RFC 2021)

WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 12 - Marquez Callaway, 19 - Jake Lampman (RFC 2021)

WR-S (2) 88 - Ty Montgomery (FA 2021), 83 - Juwan Johnson (ERFA 2021), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (ERFA 2021), 85 - Easop Winston (FA 2021)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 73 - Ethan Greenidge, 68 - Kyle Murphy (FA 2021)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 74 - James Hurst (FA 2021), 68 - Derrick Kelly

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy, 64 - Will Clapp (RFA 2021), 61 - Christian Montano (FA 2021)

RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz, 76 - Calvin Throckmorton (RFC 2021), 65 - Mike Brown (UDFA 2021)

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 67 - Landon Young (R6, P206)

TE (3) 82 - Adam Trautman, 81 - Nick Vannett (FA 2021), 86 - Ethan Wolf (RFC 2021), 89 - Dylan Soehner (UDFA 2021)

WR-Z (2) 10 - Tre'Quan Smith, 11 - Deonte Harris, 14 - Kawaan Baker (R7, P255), 17 - Jalen McCleskey (FA 2021)


DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson, 57 - Noah Spence (FA 2021), 59 - Marcus Willoughby (RFC 2021)

NT (2) 99 - Shy Tuttle, 95 - Ryan Glasgow (RFC 2021), 00 - Albert Huggins (FA 2021), 00 - Lorenzo Neal, Jr (UDFA 2021)

DT (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Malcolm Roach, 91 - Josiah Bronson (UDFA 2021), 77 - Jalen Dalton (RFC 2021)

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 98 - Payton Turner (R1, P28), 90 - Tanoh Kpassagnon, 70 - Christian Ringo (RFC 2021)

WLB (2) 20 - Pete Werner (R2, P60), 42 - Chase Hansen (RFC 2021), 54 - Wynton McManis (RFC 2021)

MLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 58 - Shaq Smith (UDFA 2021), 47 - Sutton Smith (FA2021), 00 - Quentin Poling (FA 2021)

SLB (2) 53 - Zach Baun, 55 - Kaden Elliss, 50 - Andrew Dowell (RFC 2021)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2021), 38 - Keith Washington Jr.

NCB (2) 30 - Grant Haley (RFC 2021), 31 - Bryce Thompson (UDFA 2021), 35 - Lawrence Woods (UDFA 2021)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus Williams (Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag 2021), 48 - J.T. Gray (FA 2021), 32 - Eric Burrell (UDFA 2021)

SS (2) 27 - Malcolm Jenkins, 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 36 - Deuce Wallace (FA 2021)

LCB (2) 29 - Paulson Adebo (R3, P76), 21 - Patrick Robinson, 25 - Ken Crawley (FA 2021)


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 4 - Blake Gillikin, 5 - Nolan Cooney

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood

RS (*) 11 - Deonte Harris


90-man Roster Count - Total: 85; Offense: 40; Defense: 41; Kicking: 4; Practice Squad: 0


Reserve/Injured

Reserve/Non-Football Injury

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Opt-Out


KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2021)

Waivers (Wv 2021)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2021)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2021)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2021)

Practice Squad (PS 2021)

Injured, Reserve/Non-Football Injury (IR), Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), Reserve/Opt-Out (OPT)

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner

STATUS:
  • *OUT - Out/Left Game

  • *INACTIVE - Healthy Inactive

  • *PSACTIVE - Activated From Practice Squad

  • *LP - Limited Practice

  • *DNP - Did Not Practice

  • *CP - Concussion Protocol

  • *DTR - Designated To Return

jeanpierre 06-02-2021 10:13 AM
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Boston Saint 06-02-2021 11:21 AM
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For the record I hope Davenport has a fantastic year and Exceeds what Trey gave us last year. Hope he leads the league in sacks and is DPOY. Of course that would make him impossible to sign to a long term deal and he would go the way of the T. rex. That would surely make him worthy of 2 first round picks.

If hoping he does so, but recognizing that up to this point he hasn’t even been able to outperform a player the team got for “what was essentially “ a high fourth round pick makes me a hater in some peoples opinions, then fine. That’s not a successful use of two picks in my opinion even if they had been two high 2nd round picks, much less the actual first rounders they were.

AsylumGuido 06-02-2021 11:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921433)
This has been debunked more than once - The Saints and other teams have found success all over the draft board...
It has not been debunked. Sure, successful players can come from any position, but taken as a whole the higher picks on average have produced the greater chance of success. They are picked earlier for a reason.

AsylumGuido 06-02-2021 11:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 921440)
For the record I hope Davenport has a fantastic year and Exceeds what Trey gave us last year. Hope he leads the league in sacks and is DPOY. Of course that would make him impossible to sign to a long term deal and he would go the way of the T. rex. That would surely make him worthy of 2 first round picks.

If hoping he does so, but recognizing that up to this point he hasn’t even been able to outperform a player the team got for “what was essentially “ a high fourth round pick makes me a hater in some peoples opinions, then fine. That’s not a successful use of two picks in my opinion even if they had been two high 2nd round picks, much less the actual first rounders they were.
You are, of course, deserving of your opinion.

AsylumGuido 06-02-2021 12:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921436)
You aren't looking very hard, Underwood. Ramczyk, Marcus Williams, and Lattimore all have contracts prime for restructure. The three of them count approximately $32 million toward the 2021 cap. That $32 million is entirely base salary. None of it is previous restructures or prorated bonuses.

Boston Saint 06-02-2021 12:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921442)
They are picked earlier for a reason.
I’m not trying to be argumentative here. What reason is this. Why is a player taken at 13 vs 28 vs 41 in your eyes?

AsylumGuido 06-02-2021 12:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 921431)
You are being dishonest about it being two second round picks. If there is a difference between 14 and 25, There’s a difference between 25 and 38. Hence, your repeated lie about it being 2 high second rounders. Not to mention that there was no way to know the extra pick was going to be a low first rounder...an unexpected team injury here or there and that could have been a much higher pick. Hell, they finished 7-9 multiple times without serious injuries. You are using the hindsight knowledge of what the unknown-at-the-time extra pick ended up being to justify your incorrect opinion, but not allowing me to use my hindsight knowledge of his injuries to back up my correct one. You can’t have it both ways.

I don’t get the haters reference.
I don't get where you are getting your numbers. Pick number 33 is a high 2nd rounder, no? I don't know where you came up with 38. :confused: and I don't know where you came up with 25. :confused: The two picks traded were the 27th and the 30th. There is very little difference between the 27th and 33rd. There is even less difference between the 30th and the 33rd. Therefore, there is very little difference between the two picks we traded and two high 2nd rounders just as I stated.

Once again, who cares what pick any player was picked with? Once the pick is made it becomes moot. It doesn't matter. Water under the bridge. Nothing constructive can come from complaining. Personally, I like what I have seen from Davenport when he has been on the field. Obviously the front office has, as well, or they wouldn't have picked up his fifth year option. Hopefully he'll have a healthy career from this point on and prove all of the haters wrong. There's no reason he can't follow, or surpass, the production of Cam Jordan which really didn't come to consistent fruition until his 7th season in the league. All I am asking for is patience. It appears that isn't possible for some, however.

AsylumGuido 06-02-2021 12:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 921446)
I’m not trying to be argumentative here. What reason is this. Why is a player taken at 13 vs 28 vs 41 in your eyes?
They are taken at the higher position because they are perceived to have a better chance at success. Is that always the case? No, of course not, but statistically speaking it is. Players taken in the first round have a success rate of 83%. Players selected in the second round have a success rate of 70%.

Does that mean the success rate of every 1st rounder is the same? Of course not. You would have to agree that players taken in the top 15 of the draft have a greater chance of success than those taken in the next 17 slots, no? That's only logical. Otherwise what would it matter what a team's picks were?

jeanpierre 06-02-2021 12:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921442)
It has not been debunked. Sure, successful players can come from any position, but taken as a whole the higher picks on average have produced the greater chance of success. They are picked earlier for a reason.
Debunked.

AsylumGuido 06-02-2021 12:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921453)
Debunked.
In your mind, perhaps. Can you tell me honestly that you believe all players historically taken in the first round after the top 15 have just as high a probability of success as those taken in the top 15 slots?

jeanpierre 06-02-2021 12:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921454)
In your mind, perhaps. Can you tell me honestly that you believe all players historically taken in the first round after the top 15 have just as high a probability of success as those taken in the top 15 slots?
Argument made, backed with cited proof, as I said - debunked...

AsylumGuido 06-02-2021 01:04 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921456)
Argument made, backed with cited proof, as I said - debunked...
What cited proof? Some isolated one off incidents? What is your supposed "cited proof"? Is it statistically sound?

:confused:

Sorry, JP, but it sounds to me like you are the one imbibing in wacky weed. :D

Boston Saint 06-02-2021 01:17 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921448)
I don't get where you are getting your numbers. Pick number 33 is a high 2nd rounder, no? I don't know where you came up with 38. :confused: and I don't know where you came up with 25. :confused: The two picks traded were the 27th and the 30th. There is very little difference between the 27th and 33rd. There is even less difference between the 30th and the 33rd. Therefore, there is very little difference between the two picks we traded and two high 2nd rounders just as I stated.

Once again, who cares what pick any player was picked with? Once the pick is made it becomes moot. It doesn't matter. Water under the bridge. Nothing constructive can come from complaining. Personally, I like what I have seen from Davenport when he has been on the field. Obviously the front office has, as well, or they wouldn't have picked up his fifth year option. Hopefully he'll have a healthy career from this point on and prove all of the haters wrong. There's no reason he can't follow, or surpass, the production of Cam Jordan which really didn't come to consistent fruition until his 7th season in the league. All I am asking for is patience. It appears that isn't possible for some, however.
I was just using random numbers as you were randomly saying high second round picks were given up. At the time the trade was made it was for the Saints current first round pick, which was known, and a future first round pick which was not. That pick could have ended up been anywhere from 1-32. If you want to use hindsight to say it was only for pick 30 to support your opinion I can use hindsight to say they should have knew Davenport would be injured to support mine.

As far as your comment about my “complaining“ about it, this is an example of you labeling people who disagree with you. Despite your indication I don’t hate the man and I am not complaining he is on the team. I think the price paid for his services has been too much and, as JP pointed out, that is not his fault. It’s a fan’s off-season opinion based upon evaluation of a certain draft pick the Saints made related to his performance and production. It’s no different than when I evaluate the move to spend a second round future pick for a third round pick to make the move to get Kamara as a good move. If I point out that was a good move am I an ass-kisser?

AsylumGuido 06-02-2021 01:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 921460)
I was just using random numbers as you were randomly saying high second round picks were given up. At the time the trade was made it was for the Saints current first round pick, which was known, and a future first round pick which was not. That pick could have ended up been anywhere from 1-32. If you want to use hindsight to say it was only for pick 30 to support your opinion I can use hindsight to say they should have knew Davenport would be injured to support mine.

As far as your comment about my “complaining“ about it, this is an example of you labeling people who disagree with you. Despite your indication I don’t hate the man and I am not complaining he is on the team. I think the price paid for his services has been too much and, as JP pointed out, that is not his fault. It’s a fan’s off-season opinion based upon evaluation of a certain draft pick the Saints made related to his performance and production. It’s no different than when I evaluate the move to spend a second round future pick for a third round pick to make the move to get Kamara as a good move. If I point out that was a good move am I an ass-kisser?
First off, I didn't say YOU were complaining. If you go back and read what I wrote that was not directed at anyone in particular. I made it a point to word it in that manner. Your instances of referencing the two first round picks are rare. Now, if you mentioned it say, over and over again, ad nauseum, it may fall into the spectrum of complaining.

:p

As for the future 1st rounder in the trade, that would have been an educated prediction by the front office. At the time we had arguably the best all round roster in the league. The chances of our finishing very far from the very top of the league were slim. I believe, in fact, that either Payton or Loomis alluded to their expecting that future pick to be at the tail end of the round in an interview after the trade was made. It turns out they were right. If they felt we would have been looking at a top 15 pick, for example, that next season I seriously doubt the trade would have been made in that form.

As for the price paid, patience as I mentioned earlier. We have only seen the first three of the contracted five years and have yet to see the remainder of the career after that. It is a tad early to be declaring the end value, don't you think?

Boston Saint 06-02-2021 01:52 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921462)
First off, I didn't say YOU were complaining. If you go back and read what I wrote that was not directed at anyone in particular. I made it a point to word it in that manner. Your instances of referencing the two first round picks are rare. Now, if you mentioned it say, over and over again, ad nauseum, it may fall into the spectrum of complaining.

:p

As for the future 1st rounder in the trade, that would have been an educated prediction by the front office. At the time we had arguably the best all round roster in the league. The chances of our finishing very far from the very top of the league were slim. I believe, in fact, that either Payton or Loomis alluded to their expecting that future pick to be at the tail end of the round in an interview after the trade was made. It turns out they were right. If they felt we would have been looking at a top 15 pick, for example, that next season I seriously doubt the trade would have been made in that form.

As for the price paid, patience as I mentioned earlier. We have only seen the first three of the contracted five years and have yet to see the remainder of the career after that. It is a tad early to be declaring the end value, don't you think?
Well, in a reply/quote to me you ask what good comes from complaining. That’s pretty close I’d say. And nowhere to my knowledge did I say give up on him. I don’t think I’ve ever mentioned that extending his fifth year option was a mistake. I am pointing out that, thus far in his playing career, his numbers have not been worth 2 picks above 33 and I don’t think passing it off on injuries is accurate. His production has been no better than say Tre’quan Smith’s has been on offense. I wouldn’t say Smith has lived up to two picks in the high 20s either.

jeanpierre 06-02-2021 02:02 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921458)
What cited proof? Some isolated one off incidents? What is your supposed "cited proof"? Is it statistically sound?

:confused:

Sorry, JP, but it sounds to me like you are the one imbibing in wacky weed. :D
Seek medical help for Alzheimer's; it's been argued ad nauseam, even in last two weeks; can't keep breaking it down when you refused to admit you're wrong...

jeanpierre 06-02-2021 02:07 PM
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AsylumGuido 06-02-2021 02:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921464)
Seek medical help for Alzheimer's; it's been argumed ad nauseam, even in last two weeks; can't keep breaking it down when you refused to admit you're wrong...
But, I'm not wrong. I repeatedly stated that higher picks have statistically proven out to have a higher rate of success than those picks taken lower in the draft. You just claimed to have cited something previously that debunks that. I must have missed it. Could you please share that definitive proof again?

Where have you shown that picks cumulatively taken lower in the draft demonstrate a probability of success that equals or exceeds picks taken in higher slots? I've searched but cannot find any reference.

:confused:

jeanpierre 06-02-2021 02:57 PM
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Nope. It was debunked. Methodically.

jeanpierre 06-02-2021 02:57 PM
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That's what I've been saying (about David Onyemata)...

AsylumGuido 06-02-2021 03:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921468)
Nope. It was debunked. Methodically.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...DDfcXEDjzncWTQ

All you have shown is that the Saints have made some successful picks in the middle rounds of the draft recently. I would certainly hope so. But that in no way "debunks" the FACT that higher percentages of successes come from higher slotted picks consistently throughout the draft. Always have and always will.

I see your proof as "bunk" rather than any sort of "debunking".

:D

Boston Saint 06-02-2021 04:12 PM
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Can we all please not mention Alzheimer’s disease....it upsets all Falcons fans !

AsylumGuido 06-02-2021 04:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 921475)
Can we all please not mention Alzheimer’s disease....it upsets all Falcons fans !
Failclown fans are perpetually upset. It has become a mainstay in their being. Pretty much the same with Viqueen fans come to think of it.

:bng:

jeanpierre 06-02-2021 10:48 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921471)
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pr...DDfcXEDjzncWTQ

All you have shown is that the Saints have made some successful picks in the middle rounds of the draft recently. I would certainly hope so. But that in no way "debunks" the FACT that higher percentages of successes come from higher slotted picks consistently throughout the draft. Always have and always will.

I see your proof as "bunk" rather than any sort of "debunking".

:D
Evidence, presented straightforward, logically, and you still ignore it...

Admitting you're wrong is beyond what your ego will allow...

jeanpierre 06-02-2021 10:49 PM
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AsylumGuido 06-03-2021 08:25 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 921491)
Evidence, presented straightforward, logically, and you still ignore it...

Admitting you're wrong is beyond what your ego will allow...
What you presented in no way proves that mid round picks are just as likely to be a success as earlier round picks. All you listed were some successful mid round picks. No sh!t, Sherlock! There of course have to be successful picks made in the mid rounds or the historical success rate of those rounds would be zero percent. I have never said you cannot find success drafting in the middle or late rounds. What I have pointed out is that the success rate drops on a linear basis from the very earliest picks in the draft to the very last picks in the draft. Outlying successes are all part of that logical progression.

I really don't know why I even try when you continue to ignore the facts and logic involved.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/bAftZ...200w.webp&ct=g

jeanpierre 06-03-2021 11:39 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921501)
What you presented in no way proves that mid round picks are just as likely to be a success as earlier round picks. All you listed were some successful mid round picks. No sh!t, Sherlock! There of course have to be successful picks made in the mid rounds or the historical success rate of those rounds would be zero percent. I have never said you cannot find success drafting in the middle or late rounds. What I have pointed out is that the success rate drops on a linear basis from the very earliest picks in the draft to the very last picks in the draft. Outlying successes are all part of that logical progression.

I really don't know why I even try when you continue to ignore the facts and logic involved.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/bAftZ...200w.webp&ct=g
You even acknowledge the point that we've drafted All-Pros throughout the draft, (as many All-Pros earned from Day 3 as Day 1) and you still cling?

jeanpierre 06-03-2021 11:40 PM
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jeanpierre 06-03-2021 11:41 PM
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jeanpierre 06-03-2021 11:41 PM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2021 New Orleans Saints - Cap Space Problem

OFFENSE

QB (3) 2 - Jameis Winston (FA 2021), 7 - Taysom Hill, 15 - Trevor Siemian (RFC 2021), 16 - Ian Book (R4, P133)

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray, 24 - Dwayne Washington (FA 2021), 37 - Tony Jones Jr. (RFC 2021), 34 - Stevie Scott III (UDFA 2021)

FB (1) 40 - Alex Armah (FA 2021), 45 - Garrett Griffin (RFC 2021)

WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 12 - Marquez Callaway, 19 - Jake Lampman (RFC 2021)

WR-S (2) 88 - Ty Montgomery (FA 2021), 83 - Juwan Johnson (ERFA 2021), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (ERFA 2021), 85 - Easop Winston (FA 2021)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 73 - Ethan Greenidge, 68 - Kyle Murphy (FA 2021)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 74 - James Hurst (FA 2021), 68 - Derrick Kelly

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy, 64 - Will Clapp (RFA 2021), 61 - Christian Montano (FA 2021)

RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz, 76 - Calvin Throckmorton (RFC 2021), 65 - Mike Brown (UDFA 2021)

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 67 - Landon Young (R6, P206)

TE (3) 82 - Adam Trautman, 81 - Nick Vannett (FA 2021), 86 - Ethan Wolf (RFC 2021), 89 - Dylan Soehner (UDFA 2021)

WR-Z (2) 10 - Tre'Quan Smith, 11 - Deonte Harris, 14 - Kawaan Baker (R7, P255), 17 - Jalen McCleskey (FA 2021)


DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson, 57 - Noah Spence (FA 2021), 59 - Marcus Willoughby (RFC 2021)

NT (2) 99 - Shy Tuttle, 95 - Ryan Glasgow (RFC 2021), 00 - Albert Huggins (FA 2021), 00 - Lorenzo Neal, Jr (UDFA 2021)

DT (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Malcolm Roach, 91 - Josiah Bronson (UDFA 2021), 77 - Jalen Dalton (RFC 2021)

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 98 - Payton Turner (R1, P28), 90 - Tanoh Kpassagnon, 70 - Christian Ringo (RFC 2021)

WLB (2) 20 - Pete Werner (R2, P60), 42 - Chase Hansen (RFC 2021), 54 - Wynton McManis (RFC 2021)

MLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 58 - Shaq Smith (UDFA 2021), 47 - Sutton Smith (FA2021), 00 - Quentin Poling (FA 2021)

SLB (2) 53 - Zach Baun, 55 - Kaden Elliss, 50 - Andrew Dowell (RFC 2021)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2021), 38 - Keith Washington Jr.

NCB (2) 30 - Grant Haley (RFC 2021), 31 - Bryce Thompson (UDFA 2021), 35 - Lawrence Woods (UDFA 2021)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus Williams (Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag 2021), 48 - J.T. Gray (FA 2021), 32 - Eric Burrell (UDFA 2021)

SS (2) 27 - Malcolm Jenkins, 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 36 - Deuce Wallace (FA 2021)

LCB (2) 29 - Paulson Adebo (R3, P76), 21 - Patrick Robinson, 25 - Ken Crawley (FA 2021)


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 4 - Blake Gillikin, 5 - Nolan Cooney

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood

RS (*) 11 - Deonte Harris


90-man Roster Count - Total: 85; Offense: 40; Defense: 41; Kicking: 4; Practice Squad: 0


Reserve/Injured

Reserve/Non-Football Injury

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Opt-Out


KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2021)

Waivers (Wv 2021)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2021)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2021)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2021)

Practice Squad (PS 2021)

Injured, Reserve/Non-Football Injury (IR), Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), Reserve/Opt-Out (OPT)

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner

STATUS:
  • *OUT - Out/Left Game

  • *INACTIVE - Healthy Inactive

  • *PSACTIVE - Activated From Practice Squad

  • *LP - Limited Practice

  • *DNP - Did Not Practice

  • *CP - Concussion Protocol

  • *DTR - Designated To Return

ChrisXVI 06-04-2021 06:46 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
WR Juwan Johnson announced he’s made the move to TE.

jeanpierre 06-06-2021 07:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 921531)
WR Juwan Johnson announced he’s made the move to TE.
Wonder if fans will be more patient with him than Dan Arnold?

jeanpierre 06-07-2021 07:43 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
PFF seems to do the best job of the national talking heads in their analysis of the line; honestly thought it was a bit higher than expected...

Finishing 8th last season seemed about right and where was expecting them to be ranked currently...

AsylumGuido 06-07-2021 11:11 AM
Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 921531)
WR Juwan Johnson announced he’s made the move to TE.
Saints might be onto something by moving Juwan Johnson to tight end

by Leigh Oleszczak

The New Orleans Saints are trying something different at tight end, as they reportedly are trying to transition Juwan Johnson to a tight end after he spent last season as a wide receiver. Nick Underhill of New Orleans Football first broke the news earlier this week about how Johnson could be making the switch and Johnson confirmed it on his social media not long after.

Johnson went undrafted out of Oregon in 2020 and didn’t pack much of a punch for the Saints as a rookie. Johnson played for Oregon one year and had previously spent four years at Penn State. He put up a career-high in touchdowns at Oregon with four while hauling in 467 yards receiving. He had 701 yards receiving in 2017.

The Saints had a lot of receivers on their roster last year, which made it hard for Johnson to stand out. The same could be said for this year, even without a true WR2 on the roster. That’s why this move makes sense because the tight end position has more room for someone to step in and shine.

By making this transition, Johnson will have more opportunities to show what he can do, which wouldn’t be the case if he were staying with the other wide receivers. At tight end, the Saints have Adam Trautman and Nick Vannett as locks to make the 53-man roster but who else makes it? Johnson might be able to sneak in there with an impressive summer.

Johnson being used as a tight end makes sense, as he showed impressive blocking skills during his college career. Geoff Schwartz, a former NFL offensive lineman, highlighted this block from Johnson when he was at Oregon. The Saints could certainly use this kind of production at tight end and if Johnson can bring this level of efficiency to the position, this move will look brilliant down the stretch.


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K Major 06-07-2021 11:51 AM
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Juwan has work to do.

Boston Saint 06-07-2021 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 921663)
Juwan has work to do.
Maybe they can work a trade for Tebow ?

K Major 06-07-2021 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 921665)
Maybe they can work a trade for Tebow ?
Lol.

Can Tim even run routes and catch/block? I don't think he's ever played the TE position in his life.

Another uphill battle.

AsylumGuido 06-07-2021 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 921667)
Lol.

Can Tim even run routes and catch/block? I don't think he's ever played the TE position in his life.

Another uphill battle.
He's got the size and likely the desire, but he doesn't have great speed (4.71). Then again, Gronkowski only ran a 4.69, so who knows.

K Major 06-07-2021 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921668)
He's got the size and likely the desire, but he doesn't have great speed (4.71). Then again, Gronkowski only ran a 4.69, so who knows.
A 4.689 sure but with ability to "separate" with precise route running/pass catching ability. Desire is great and all but Gronk was a legit high school/collegiate TE who had tape at the position.

Not to mention he is an above avg blocker & extremely tall and long. Tebow is what 6'2?

But hey, hoping all the best for TT.


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