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AsylumGuido 04-25-2022 09:07 AM

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AsylumGuido 04-25-2022 09:10 AM

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K Major 04-25-2022 09:31 AM

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It is THURSDAY yet ? ...

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AsylumGuido 04-25-2022 11:42 AM

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Nothing could be truer.


K Major 04-25-2022 12:00 PM

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I'm surprised "critics" & "analysts" haven't posted Wonderlick scores for this 2022 QB draft class.

I don't put a whole lot of stock into the scores but here are names/results for some potential Day 1 selections :

Sam "I am" Howell: 34
Malik Willis - 32
Carson Strong - 22
Desmond Ridder - 19
Kenny "Baby hands" Pickett - 17
Matt Corral - 15

AsylumGuido 04-25-2022 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 950408)
I'm surprised "critics" & "analysts" haven't posted Wonderlick scores for this 2022 QB draft class.

I don't put a whole lot of stock into the scores but here are names/results for some potential Day 1 selections :

Sam "I am" Howell: 34
Malik Willis - 32
Carson Strong - 22
Desmond Ridder - 19
Kenny "Baby hands" Pickett - 17
Matt Corral - 15

This may be the last year of the Wonderlic use by the NFL. The sharing of results this year was also frowned upon.

NFL eliminating Wonderlic test in draft procedures

By Ryan Glasspiegel
January 5, 2022

The time-honored tradition of allegedly confidential Wonderlic scores getting leaked before the NFL Draft appears to be coming to an end.

A league memo obtained by the AP says that league officials “plan” to eliminate the Wonderlic — a standardized, multiple choice test with logic riddles designed to gauge intelligence — from evaluation procedures.

This is news many have been advocating for over a number of years. As far back as 2009, a study revealed the Wonderlic had no correlation for NFL performance at a vast majority of positions. The only positions with correlation were tight end and defensive back — and the correlation was negative.

The NFL also plans to punish teams for asking prospects insensitive questions.

The memo said teams could be docked as much as a first-round pick and fined at least $150,000 for any conduct deemed to be “disrespectful, inappropriate, or unprofessional” in interviews with prospective players.

There are well-documented instances of teams treating players inappropriately during interviews. Dez Bryant was infamously asked if his mother was a prostitute. A number of players were asked if their mom was hot. One prospect said he was asked to reveal his internet search history. Eli Apple was asked about his sexual orientation by the Atlanta Falcons.

AsylumGuido 04-25-2022 12:38 PM

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AsylumGuido 04-25-2022 12:41 PM

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SmashMouth 04-25-2022 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 950406)

BnG draft party at your house? :bng:


:p

AsylumGuido 04-25-2022 12:52 PM

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jeanpierre 04-25-2022 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 950408)
I'm surprised "critics" & "analysts" haven't posted Wonderlick scores for this 2022 QB draft class.

I don't put a whole lot of stock into the scores but here are names/results for some potential Day 1 selections :

Sam "I am" Howell: 34
Malik Willis - 32
Carson Strong - 22
Desmond Ridder - 19
Kenny "Baby hands" Pickett - 17
Matt Corral - 15

There should be an exam that shows the players intelligence, maybe presented schemes or plays and having them showing their grasp...

jeanpierre 04-25-2022 06:40 PM

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If I'm the Jaguars GM, this is my pick...


K Major 04-25-2022 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 950435)
If I'm the Jaguars GM, this is my pick...

https://twitter.com/PFN365/status/1518731145000759296

Meanwhile, the Vikings are licking their chops ...

JP, you'd take Stingley over Hutchinson? IDK but he has already shown traits of TJ Watt.

jeanpierre 04-25-2022 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 950436)
Meanwhile, the Vikings are licking their chops ...

JP, you'd take Stingley over Hutchinson? IDK but he has already shown traits of TJ Watt.

Yes. Stingley's ceiling will be this generation's best CB somewhere between better than Darrelle Revis approaching Deion Sanders...

He's shown this since he was a Freshman at LSU....

halloween 65 04-26-2022 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 950383)
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2...rst-round-qbs/

And while some players are rising, Kyle Hamilton continues to fall. Many in the league tell me they think Hamilton ends up somewhere between picks 15 to 20. That’s still later than I expected and is a precipitous drop for a prospect still graded by some as the top player in this draft.

Dennis Allen wouldn’t even hesitate.

Still saying he's our pick. Enforcer in the backfield has been the only thing missing.

AsylumGuido 04-26-2022 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 950434)
There should be an exam that shows the players intelligence, maybe presented schemes or plays and having them showing their grasp...

I have heard from several GM's and coaches that this is already a common practice in individual interviews with prospects pre-draft. However, I would imagine that everything they learn is kept "in house". No need to share knowledge gained about an individual's abilities with other teams, or the public for that matter.

ChrisXVI 04-26-2022 07:49 AM

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All of the plugged-in draft guys are saying that Georgia DE Travon Walker will be the #1 pick.

jeanpierre 04-26-2022 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 950455)
All of the plugged-in draft guys are saying that Georgia DE Travon Walker will be the #1 pick.

LSU CB Derek Stingley Jr provides better value, greater impact at his position than Travon Walker does at DE...

jeanpierre 04-26-2022 01:51 PM

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K Major 04-26-2022 02:54 PM

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I think the 2022 draft will go down as a year where most teams can stay put and let the player you want drop down to you.

No need for reaching.

Disclaimer: I'm just a couch GM.

jeanpierre 04-26-2022 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 950482)
I think the 2022 draft will go down as a year where most teams can stay put and let the player you want drop down to you.

No need for reaching.

Disclaimer: I'm just a couch GM.

From your mouth to the Saints' Braintrust's ears...

jeanpierre 04-26-2022 05:10 PM

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AsylumGuido 04-26-2022 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 950482)
I think the 2022 draft will go down as a year where most teams can stay put and let the player you want drop down to you.

No need for reaching.

Disclaimer: I'm just a couch GM.

Nothing out there worth reaching for really. There is very little consensus upon the top ten order.

ChrisXVI 04-26-2022 08:17 PM

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Per Tony Pauline, the Saints have made calls to the Seahawks about potentially trading up to 9.

SmashMouth 04-26-2022 09:05 PM

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PFT's Mock draft

No me gusta ...

K Major 04-26-2022 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 950496)
PFT's Mock draft

No me gusta ...

Lol.

Kenny Pickett …meh :(.

19. Saints: Tyler Smith, offensive lineman, Tulsa.

“The post-Payton offense needs more talent, and not necessarily a receiver.”

Is the WR part some sort of joke :rolleyes:?

shawnkytonk 04-26-2022 11:15 PM

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Lol.
Is the WR part some sort of joke :rolleyes:?

No. It’s Mike Florio. He’s a moron.

K Major 04-27-2022 09:11 AM

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Treylon Burks - WR Arkansas

If he falls to #19, I hope he is our guy.

K Major 04-27-2022 09:19 AM

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SmashMouth 04-27-2022 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 950512)

We're drafting Christian Watson? :bng:

K Major 04-27-2022 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 950514)
We're drafting Christian Watson? :bng:

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Let me ask you if Burks and Watson are there at #19, are you going Watson?

Give me the guy who runs away from DBs from Bama, TX A&M, Florida and LSU. He had a poor combine, but the tape tells something different.

Lord_Saint83 04-27-2022 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 950496)
PFT's Mock draft

No me gusta ...



That mock draft is a joke. Atl, Carolina, and Seattle need qb’s like it’s nobody’s business and they got them selecting other positions but keeps that narrative going that we need a qb in the 1st. Smh, Florio is a dips*it

Lord_Saint83 04-27-2022 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 950515)
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Let me ask you if Burks and Watson are there at #19, are you going Watson?

Give me the guy who runs away from DBs from Bama, TX A&M, Florida and LSU. He had a poor combine, but the tape tells something different.



I like Burks. He’s is AJ Brown but more agile. Him and MT would give Jameis two big bodied receivers to throw to and would make it hard for smaller db’s to defend. Also, Burks is country strong

SmashMouth 04-27-2022 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 950515)
https://media3.giphy.com/media/xThta...giphy.gif&ct=g

Let me ask you if Burks and Watson are there at #19, are you going Watson?

Give me the guy who runs away from DBs from Bama, TX A&M, Florida and LSU. He had a poor combine, but the tape tells something different.

Get both?

Olave gets open better than anyone I've seen. Don't we need someone to stretch the field AND catch the football. If Burks had a poor combine, is he not available later in the draft? Watson's score is off the charts. What's Burks' score?


LSU's recent WRs all scored way higher than Burks.
Do your own RAS here.

BTW... the Alabama WR didn't fare as well either on the RAS.

Saints place more weight on the RAS than we all realize, at least they did under SP. We'll see with DA.

K Major 04-27-2022 11:19 AM

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I honestly believe Olave will be gone long before it's our time to pick.

He appears the most polished of them all.

But like you said, we'll see how Dennis approaches the draft tomorrow night.

neugey 04-27-2022 11:42 AM

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I've been busy lately and haven't been following the mock drafts or any of that stuff lately. So I will just


AsylumGuido 04-27-2022 12:34 PM

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Lots of talk about the Saints moving up to #9 today.

stickman 04-27-2022 02:39 PM

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Lots of talk about the Saints moving up to #9 today.

Heard a little of that myself. I hope it is not for a QB. They have a good chance and getting help at OT and WR.

SmashMouth 04-27-2022 03:43 PM

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Our History with multiple #1s.





1975:
#7 Larry Burton WR Purdue
#12 Kurt Schumacher OT Ohio State

1993:
8 Willie Roaf OT Louisiana Tech (via trade w/ Detroit. Detroit got Pat Swilling and Saints got 8 Roaf and 89 Lorenzo Neal.)
20 Irv Smith TE Notre Dame (via trade w/ San Fran)

2002:
13 Donté Stallworth WR Tennessee
25 Charles Grant DE Georgia (via Miami from the Ricky Williams trade)

2003:
6 Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia (Saints got a 1st from Miami for the Ricky Williams trade. Saints then traded 17, 18 & 54 with Arizona for 6, 37 & 102. We got Sullivan, Jon Stinchcomb and Montae Holland. Arizona got Bryant Johnson, Calvin Pace and Anquan Boldin.)

2011:
24 Cameron Jordan DE California
28 Mark Ingram Jr. RB Alabama (via New England for a 2nd and future 1st)

2015:
13 Andrus Peat OT Stanford
31 Stephone Anthony LBer Clemson (Saints received this pick and Max Unger from Seattle for Jimmy Graham.)

2017:
11 Marshon Lattimore CB Ohio State
32 Ryan Ramczyk OT Wisconsin (Saints received 32 and 103 from New England for Brandin Cooks and 118. Saints got Ramczyk and Trey Hendrickson. New England forfeited 118 due to deflategate.)

Boston Saint 04-27-2022 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 950524)
Our History with multiple #1s.





1975:
#7 Larry Burton WR Purdue
#12 Kurt Schumacher OT Ohio State

1993:
8 Willie Roaf OT Louisiana Tech (via trade w/ Detroit. Detroit got Pat Swilling and Saints got 8 Roaf and 89 Lorenzo Neal.)
20 Irv Smith TE Notre Dame (via trade w/ San Fran)

2002:
13 Donté Stallworth WR Tennessee
25 Charles Grant DE Georgia (via Miami from the Ricky Williams trade)

2003:
6 Johnathan Sullivan DT Georgia (Saints got a 1st from Miami for the Ricky Williams trade. Saints then traded 17, 18 & 54 with Arizona for 6, 37 & 102. We got Sullivan, Jon Stinchcomb and Montae Holland. Arizona got Bryant Johnson, Calvin Pace and Anquan Boldin.)

2011:
24 Cameron Jordan DE California
28 Mark Ingram Jr. RB Alabama (via New England for a 2nd and future 1st)

2015:
13 Andrus Peat OT Stanford
31 Stephone Anthony LBer Clemson (Saints received this pick and Max Unger from Seattle for Jimmy Graham.)

2017:
11 Marshon Lattimore CB Ohio State
32 Ryan Ramczyk OT Wisconsin (Saints received 32 and 103 from New England for Brandin Cooks and 118. Saints got Ramczyk and Trey Hendrickson. New England forfeited 118 due to deflategate.)

Sort of mixed results aren’t they?


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