AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD.

K Major · 01-02-2022, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

Fans don't deserve better. Period. TBH the coaching staff has pulled this season out of their ass. If you give most coaching staffs this roster, they are swinging for the top pick in the draft. Somehow, we are 7-8 and still in contention. We also have some greatly building pieces going forward. If we can keep the defense intact, we can fix the offense in the offseason. I don't know who the QB of the future is(I personally like Trevor Siemian a whole lot), but our first priority is skill position players. Second priority is shoring up our porous line that has been decimated by injuries. Maybe get a TE in there somewhere. We get those pieces, not even thinking about the QB, and we are competing for a SB. We have to do some long thinking and evaluation about the QB position, because that will determine if we can get to our goal and hoist the lombardy after we take care of the above mentioned issues. I personally like Trevor Siemian. I think Hill could be good too. I think Book has potential but he's waaaay too raw and it could be several years before it's ready for him to see the field. Winston played ok before injury, but I felt he lacked something. I feel like our whole fan base is down in the dumps, but all I see is a path to something great, especially with that defense. We had a down year, so what.

hitta · 01-02-2022, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

What can I say, I think Trevor Siemian is the answer. I'll say it as many times as I need to

. You put some guys around him and he'll make the offense sing. He throws a good ball and he's a good decision maker. Everything that Payton needs to run his offense.

K Major · 01-02-2022, 12:21 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

What can I say, I think Trevor Siemian is the answer. I'll say it as many times as I need to . You put some guys around him and he'll make the offense sing. He throws a good ball and he's a good decision maker. Everything that Payton needs to run his offense.

Hitta,

Sean Payton is in the business of winning football games. Trevor is a career backup. He'll come in and keep you in a game but he is not going to win a significant number of games with.

You won't see him under center again as a Saints starter.

It's time to re-focus your attention on the QB position elsewhere in 2022.

leilung · 01-02-2022, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by hitta

Winston played ok before injury, but I felt he lacked something.

Not sure what 'OK' is in your book, but he was defintely head and shoulders better than what followed his injury. If he was lacking 'something' perhaps it was SP being a 'Nervous Nelly' keeping the playbook vanilla during those first 7 starts... or maybe some weak links in the OL... or maybe even a lack of consistent WR talent to spread the field? I'll take that 14 TD/ 3 INT guy any day over what we've been struggling with since we were 5-2!

I honestly still don't get why some of us are so lukewarm to JW. The guy has does nothing but be a model QB for the Saints AD (After Drew). That and give us a good chance at getting some W's (when he's not trying to eat them)! What are guys looking for from him?

Lord_Saint83 · 01-02-2022, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Not sure what 'OK' is in your book, but he was defintely head and shoulders better than what followed his injury. If he was lacking 'something' perhaps it was SP being a 'Nervous Nelly' keeping the playbook vanilla during those first 7 starts... or maybe some weak links in the OL... or maybe even a lack of consistent WR talent to spread the field? I'll take that 14 TD/ 3 INT guy any day over what we've been struggling with since we were 5-2!

I honestly still don't get why some of us are so lukewarm to JW. The guy has does nothing but be a model QB for the Saints AD (After Drew). That and give us a good chance at getting some W's (when he's not trying to eat them)! What are guys looking for from him?

I don’t know either, man. He was doing fine to me. The coaches and the team loves the guy. So that is all that matters. The team also had a different vibe with him. 14/3 with the same guys that Hill and Trevor had. Multiple TD passing games, scoring through out the game not this goose egg til late in the game comeback when the opposing defense is playing prevent scoring, and winning against good teams. I want him back.

Boston Saint · 01-02-2022, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

Not sure what 'OK' is in your book, but he was defintely head and shoulders better than what followed his injury. If he was lacking 'something' perhaps it was SP being a 'Nervous Nelly' keeping the playbook vanilla during those first 7 starts... or maybe some weak links in the OL... or maybe even a lack of consistent WR talent to spread the field? I'll take that 14 TD/ 3 INT guy any day over what we've been struggling with since we were 5-2!

I honestly still don't get why some of us are so lukewarm to JW. The guy has does nothing but be a model QB for the Saints AD (After Drew). That and give us a good chance at getting some W's (when he's not trying to eat them)! What are guys looking for from him?

Preach! I hope he is our starter next year.

saintfan · 01-02-2022, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by leilung

Not sure what 'OK' is in your book, but he was defintely head and shoulders better than what followed his injury. If he was lacking 'something' perhaps it was SP being a 'Nervous Nelly' keeping the playbook vanilla during those first 7 starts... or maybe some weak links in the OL... or maybe even a lack of consistent WR talent to spread the field? I'll take that 14 TD/ 3 INT guy any day over what we've been struggling with since we were 5-2!

I honestly still don't get why some of us are so lukewarm to JW. The guy has does nothing but be a model QB for the Saints AD (After Drew). That and give us a good chance at getting some W's (when he's not trying to eat them)! What are guys looking for from him?

Yes to all of this, and 'Saints AD' is brilliant and should be on a t-shirt.

hitta · 01-03-2022, 10:49 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Not sure what 'OK' is in your book, but he was defintely head and shoulders better than what followed his injury. If he was lacking 'something' perhaps it was SP being a 'Nervous Nelly' keeping the playbook vanilla during those first 7 starts... or maybe some weak links in the OL... or maybe even a lack of consistent WR talent to spread the field? I'll take that 14 TD/ 3 INT guy any day over what we've been struggling with since we were 5-2!

I honestly still don't get why some of us are so lukewarm to JW. The guy has does nothing but be a model QB for the Saints AD (After Drew). That and give us a good chance at getting some W's (when he's not trying to eat them)! What are guys looking for from him?

I wouldn't say that tbh. You put Winston back there with that O-line and he's going to have the same problems. The injuries to the o-line and Alvin Kamara is what caused the downward spiral. It didn't matter what QB we threw in there cause it seem like they always had a rusher almost instantaneously in their face. It's really not fair to compare the two situations.

BakoSaint · 01-03-2022, 05:22 PM

I think that with our severe limitations on offense on the roster, a QB needs some strong extra dimension to get anything going on offense. Semien and Book probably lack that dimension, though Book is hard to evaluate because of everyone absent during his start. Winston has the extra dimension of his deep ball, Hill of his scrambling. Both help offset lack of receiving talent. But Hill is older and his extra dimension is one bound to get him injured, and less likely to be used as much if we get better receivers. Winston, although victim to an unfortunate injury, projects to be healthier and more reliable than Hill and to have more upside than Hill if we get better receivers. I think Hill and Winston are probably equal with a depleted offense where they have to do it all on their own, but Winston is the better option to build an elite offense around. We don't know Hill couldn't produce a 14:3 TD:INT ratio with the crap receivers but healthier oline Winston had, but we do know Winston did produce that ratio.

Originally Posted by hitta

I wouldn't say that tbh. You put Winston back there with that O-line and he's going to have the same problems. The injuries to the o-line and Alvin Kamara is what caused the downward spiral. It didn't matter what QB we threw in there cause it seem like they always had a rusher almost instantaneously in their face. It's really not fair to compare the two situations.

Sinner · 01-02-2022, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

Fans don't deserve better. Period. TBH the coaching staff has pulled this season out of their ass. If you give most coaching staffs this roster, they are swinging for the top pick in the draft. Somehow, we are 7-8 and still in contention. We also have some greatly building pieces going forward. If we can keep the defense intact, we can fix the offense in the offseason. I don't know who the QB of the future is(I personally like Trevor Siemian a whole lot), but our first priority is skill position players. Second priority is shoring up our porous line that has been decimated by injuries. Maybe get a TE in there somewhere. We get those pieces, not even thinking about the QB, and we are competing for a SB. We have to do some long thinking and evaluation about the QB position, because that will determine if we can get to our goal and hoist the lombardy after we take care of the above mentioned issues. I personally like Trevor Siemian. I think Hill could be good too. I think Book has potential but he's waaaay too raw and it could be several years before it's ready for him to see the field. Winston played ok before injury, but I felt he lacked something. I feel like our whole fan base is down in the dumps, but all I see is a path to something great, especially with that defense. We had a down year, so what. To win in the NFL requires slow progression towards the goal and smart timely moves. Things may seem like we are down, but we are heading up. We have a great defense and a great offensive coach. That's a recipe to balance things out really quickly.

If a Coaching Staff has to pull a season out of their ass, that's some bad management. Big Money Management has to PLAN for ass-wipe conditions, ahead of time. If a Fan has no problem watching and paying for seasons getting pulled out of the Coaching Staff's ass, that's a special type of Fan I guess. ENJOY THE GAME!!!

01-02-2022, 09:49 AM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. Originally Posted by hitta Fans don't deserve better. Period. TBH the coaching staff has pulled this season out of their ass. If you give most coaching staffs this roster, they are swinging for the top pick in the draft. Somehow, we are 7-8 and still in contention. We also have some greatly building pieces going forward. If we can keep the defense intact, we can fix the offense in the offseason. I don't know who the QB of the future is(I personally like Trevor Siemian a whole lot), but our first priority is skill position players. Second priority is shoring up our porous line that has been decimated by injuries. Maybe get a TE in there somewhere. We get those pieces, not even thinking about the QB, and we are competing for a SB. We have to do some long thinking and evaluation about the QB position, because that will determine if we can get to our goal and hoist the lombardy after we take care of the above mentioned issues. I personally like Trevor Siemian. I think Hill could be good too. I think Book has potential but he's waaaay too raw and it could be several years before it's ready for him to see the field. Winston played ok before injury, but I felt he lacked something. I feel like our whole fan base is down in the dumps, but all I see is a path to something great, especially with that defense. We had a down year, so what. Sinner likes this.

01-02-2022, 11:39 AM	#2
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,332	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. Originally Posted by K Major What can I say, I think Trevor Siemian is the answer. I'll say it as many times as I need to . You put some guys around him and he'll make the offense sing. He throws a good ball and he's a good decision maker. Everything that Payton needs to run his offense.
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01-02-2022, 12:21 PM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,797 Blog Entries: 3	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. Originally Posted by hitta What can I say, I think Trevor Siemian is the answer. I'll say it as many times as I need to . You put some guys around him and he'll make the offense sing. He throws a good ball and he's a good decision maker. Everything that Payton needs to run his offense. Hitta, Sean Payton is in the business of winning football games. Trevor is a career backup. He'll come in and keep you in a game but he is not going to win a significant number of games with. You won't see him under center again as a Saints starter. It's time to re-focus your attention on the QB position elsewhere in 2022.

01-02-2022, 11:05 AM	#4
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,421	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. Originally Posted by hitta Winston played ok before injury, but I felt he lacked something. Not sure what 'OK' is in your book, but he was defintely head and shoulders better than what followed his injury. If he was lacking 'something' perhaps it was SP being a 'Nervous Nelly' keeping the playbook vanilla during those first 7 starts... or maybe some weak links in the OL... or maybe even a lack of consistent WR talent to spread the field? I'll take that 14 TD/ 3 INT guy any day over what we've been struggling with since we were 5-2! I honestly still don't get why some of us are so lukewarm to JW. The guy has does nothing but be a model QB for the Saints AD (After Drew). That and give us a good chance at getting some W's (when he's not trying to eat them)! What are guys looking for from him? saintfan, K Major, Lord_Saint83 and 1 others like this.
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01-02-2022, 11:23 AM	#5
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. Originally Posted by leilung Not sure what 'OK' is in your book, but he was defintely head and shoulders better than what followed his injury. If he was lacking 'something' perhaps it was SP being a 'Nervous Nelly' keeping the playbook vanilla during those first 7 starts... or maybe some weak links in the OL... or maybe even a lack of consistent WR talent to spread the field? I'll take that 14 TD/ 3 INT guy any day over what we've been struggling with since we were 5-2! I honestly still don't get why some of us are so lukewarm to JW. The guy has does nothing but be a model QB for the Saints AD (After Drew). That and give us a good chance at getting some W's (when he's not trying to eat them)! What are guys looking for from him? I don’t know either, man. He was doing fine to me. The coaches and the team loves the guy. So that is all that matters. The team also had a different vibe with him. 14/3 with the same guys that Hill and Trevor had. Multiple TD passing games, scoring through out the game not this goose egg til late in the game comeback when the opposing defense is playing prevent scoring, and winning against good teams. I want him back.

01-02-2022, 12:18 PM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. Originally Posted by leilung Not sure what 'OK' is in your book, but he was defintely head and shoulders better than what followed his injury. If he was lacking 'something' perhaps it was SP being a 'Nervous Nelly' keeping the playbook vanilla during those first 7 starts... or maybe some weak links in the OL... or maybe even a lack of consistent WR talent to spread the field? I'll take that 14 TD/ 3 INT guy any day over what we've been struggling with since we were 5-2! I honestly still don't get why some of us are so lukewarm to JW. The guy has does nothing but be a model QB for the Saints AD (After Drew). That and give us a good chance at getting some W's (when he's not trying to eat them)! What are guys looking for from him? Preach! I hope he is our starter next year.

01-02-2022, 02:30 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. Originally Posted by leilung Not sure what 'OK' is in your book, but he was defintely head and shoulders better than what followed his injury. If he was lacking 'something' perhaps it was SP being a 'Nervous Nelly' keeping the playbook vanilla during those first 7 starts... or maybe some weak links in the OL... or maybe even a lack of consistent WR talent to spread the field? I'll take that 14 TD/ 3 INT guy any day over what we've been struggling with since we were 5-2! I honestly still don't get why some of us are so lukewarm to JW. The guy has does nothing but be a model QB for the Saints AD (After Drew). That and give us a good chance at getting some W's (when he's not trying to eat them)! What are guys looking for from him? Yes to all of this, and 'Saints AD' is brilliant and should be on a t-shirt. K Major likes this.

01-03-2022, 10:49 AM	#8
hitta 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,332	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. Originally Posted by leilung Not sure what 'OK' is in your book, but he was defintely head and shoulders better than what followed his injury. If he was lacking 'something' perhaps it was SP being a 'Nervous Nelly' keeping the playbook vanilla during those first 7 starts... or maybe some weak links in the OL... or maybe even a lack of consistent WR talent to spread the field? I'll take that 14 TD/ 3 INT guy any day over what we've been struggling with since we were 5-2! I honestly still don't get why some of us are so lukewarm to JW. The guy has does nothing but be a model QB for the Saints AD (After Drew). That and give us a good chance at getting some W's (when he's not trying to eat them)! What are guys looking for from him? I wouldn't say that tbh. You put Winston back there with that O-line and he's going to have the same problems. The injuries to the o-line and Alvin Kamara is what caused the downward spiral. It didn't matter what QB we threw in there cause it seem like they always had a rusher almost instantaneously in their face. It's really not fair to compare the two situations.
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01-03-2022, 05:22 PM	#9
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,347	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. I think that with our severe limitations on offense on the roster, a QB needs some strong extra dimension to get anything going on offense. Semien and Book probably lack that dimension, though Book is hard to evaluate because of everyone absent during his start. Winston has the extra dimension of his deep ball, Hill of his scrambling. Both help offset lack of receiving talent. But Hill is older and his extra dimension is one bound to get him injured, and less likely to be used as much if we get better receivers. Winston, although victim to an unfortunate injury, projects to be healthier and more reliable than Hill and to have more upside than Hill if we get better receivers. I think Hill and Winston are probably equal with a depleted offense where they have to do it all on their own, but Winston is the better option to build an elite offense around. We don't know Hill couldn't produce a 14:3 TD:INT ratio with the crap receivers but healthier oline Winston had, but we do know Winston did produce that ratio. Originally Posted by hitta I wouldn't say that tbh. You put Winston back there with that O-line and he's going to have the same problems. The injuries to the o-line and Alvin Kamara is what caused the downward spiral. It didn't matter what QB we threw in there cause it seem like they always had a rusher almost instantaneously in their face. It's really not fair to compare the two situations. AsylumGuido likes this.
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Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,065	Re: AS FANS, WE DESERVE BETTER. PERIOD. Originally Posted by hitta Fans don't deserve better. Period. TBH the coaching staff has pulled this season out of their ass. If you give most coaching staffs this roster, they are swinging for the top pick in the draft. Somehow, we are 7-8 and still in contention. We also have some greatly building pieces going forward. If we can keep the defense intact, we can fix the offense in the offseason. I don't know who the QB of the future is(I personally like Trevor Siemian a whole lot), but our first priority is skill position players. Second priority is shoring up our porous line that has been decimated by injuries. Maybe get a TE in there somewhere. We get those pieces, not even thinking about the QB, and we are competing for a SB. We have to do some long thinking and evaluation about the QB position, because that will determine if we can get to our goal and hoist the lombardy after we take care of the above mentioned issues. I personally like Trevor Siemian. I think Hill could be good too. I think Book has potential but he's waaaay too raw and it could be several years before it's ready for him to see the field. Winston played ok before injury, but I felt he lacked something. I feel like our whole fan base is down in the dumps, but all I see is a path to something great, especially with that defense. We had a down year, so what. To win in the NFL requires slow progression towards the goal and smart timely moves. Things may seem like we are down, but we are heading up. We have a great defense and a great offensive coach. That's a recipe to balance things out really quickly. If a Coaching Staff has to pull a season out of their ass, that's some bad management. Big Money Management has to PLAN for ass-wipe conditions, ahead of time. If a Fan has no problem watching and paying for seasons getting pulled out of the Coaching Staff's ass, that's a special type of Fan I guess. ENJOY THE GAME!!!
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