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SaintGnome 01-27-2022 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 943175)
The sentiment is nice, but (with respect) if he didn’t prepare them a while ago for this then it really doesn’t matter who he told first. I guess I just mean I hoped this didn’t hit them out the blue.
No disrespect taken, and I mean none in return. I wasn't implying that everything came out of the blue. I'm sure there was a succession plan prior to this week. That doesn't mean it was in concrete WHEN the changeover was going to happen. Sean said he took a week to finalize his decision and I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt. He didn't go next after management/ownership to the OC, STC or any other coach just DA. Which to me was probably "here's the keys guy" situation. That's just how I see it. Time will tell.

Boston Saint 01-27-2022 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 943177)
No disrespect taken, and I mean none in return. I wasn't implying that everything came out of the blue. I'm sure there was a succession plan prior to this week. That doesn't mean it was in concrete WHEN the changeover was going to happen. Sean said he took a week to finalize his decision and I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt. He didn't go next after management/ownership to the OC, STC or any other coach just DA. Which to me was probably "here's the keys guy" situation. That's just how I see it. Time will tell.
Yeah, I realized I sort of missed your point after I made my post. I think you mean it was telling that he mentioned Allen third. That seems like it means Payton endorses him.

RailBoss 01-27-2022 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 943174)
If you listened to Sean's press conference he said (paraphrasing) "When I quit, I first went in to tell Mrs. Benson, then I went to Mickey, then I went to Dennis" that's telling to me.
That's where I got tripped up to, but I think Sean was referring to Dennis Lauscha Saints President.

The Dude 01-27-2022 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 943177)
No disrespect taken, and I mean none in return. I wasn't implying that everything came out of the blue. I'm sure there was a succession plan prior to this week. That doesn't mean it was in concrete WHEN the changeover was going to happen. Sean said he took a week to finalize his decision and I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt. He didn't go next after management/ownership to the OC, STC or any other coach just DA. Which to me was probably "here's the keys guy" situation. That's just how I see it. Time will tell.
I think it was pretty sudden for some of the staff. I heard Streif say that they found out 30 minutes before the press conference. Obviously Loomis and Mrs Benson knew about it before but they made it sound like they kept it very close to the vest until the very last minute. He said he was picking Brees brain about broadcasting the night before.
Payton mentioned he was thinking about taking a break during training camp.

ChrisXVI 01-28-2022 06:31 AM
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AsylumGuido 01-28-2022 07:54 AM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 943177)
No disrespect taken, and I mean none in return. I wasn't implying that everything came out of the blue. I'm sure there was a succession plan prior to this week. That doesn't mean it was in concrete WHEN the changeover was going to happen. Sean said he took a week to finalize his decision and I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt. He didn't go next after management/ownership to the OC, STC or any other coach just DA. Which to me was probably "here's the keys guy" situation. That's just how I see it. Time will tell.
He took two weeks to finalize that decision according to Jay Glazer. The two weeks he spent in Cabo with Skylene. Both Glazer and Payton said he had discussed going ahead and stepping down with Gayle and Loomis and Gayle said to take a couple of more days to think about it when the time came. Then came the two weeks of partying on the beach. When he said he finally shared his final decision with Benson, then Loomis, then Dennis, I immediately thought Lauscha, as well. In affect, those are his only true "bosses" there.

AsylumGuido 01-28-2022 08:08 AM
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TheOak 01-28-2022 08:38 AM
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If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played.

Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left.

Moving Dennis Allen to HC f***s with our defense. STOP f***ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle.

TheOak 01-28-2022 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 943173)
Looking like Vegas thinks Allen is the favorite to get the job. If Loomis and Payton had a succession plan in place Allen would be the only logical choice given he was the only one already in place.

https://twitter.com/PFF_Bet/status/1486792188830920704
Spock was brilliant with logic but very bad at its application and made the wrong choice +/- 80% of the time.

halloween 65 01-28-2022 08:54 AM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 943203)
If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played.

Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left.

Moving Dennis Allen to HC f***s with our defense. STOP f***ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle.
Totally agree. Allen has been the only DC given decent players in the draft and good FA under Payton. No other DC ever got that under Payton. As a HC (as you stated) Allen failed miserably. I would look elsewhere for a HC and let Allen stay as the DC.


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