Head Coach Search

AsylumGuido · 01-28-2022, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played.

Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left.

Moving Dennis Allen to HC f***s with our defense. STOP f***ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle.

That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge.

saintfan · 01-28-2022, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge.

In other words you don't have a clue. Way to waste everyone's time little speedo.

Budsdrinker · 01-28-2022, 12:02 PM

Man, we sure do have some pissy little brats on this forum.

saintfan · 01-28-2022, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Man, we sure do have some pissy little brats on this forum.

Oh yes we do, but we DO NOT have a race-baiter. Well, we have one, but he won't be doing that here anymore.

rezburna · 01-28-2022, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge.

You definitely have good reason for wanting Allen to take over for Payton. One would think/hope we could maintain continuity with that move. I think you’re probably right in that regard. I just think we’d benefit from a new mind on the offensive side of the ball. We need some innovators. I think our offense is a little stale even with the players that we’ve lost. The way SF is using Deebo Samuel and Miami so using Jaylen Waddle, I’d love to see that level of creativity. Why haven’t we put Harris at running back and had him run routers with a linebacker matched on him? We gotta continue to grow with the league…or better yet be a step ahead of the league. I don’t think Allen would provide that spark.

Boston Saint · 01-28-2022, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Moving Dennis Allen to HC f***s with our defense. STOP f***ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle.

But it’s likely that a new Head Coach coming from outside the organization would want his own staff. Plus, Allen may bolt if not given the HC job. Point is A LOT could change if an outside coach comes in. Less likely changes if Allen is promoted.

turbo_dog · 01-28-2022, 01:37 PM

If Mark Ingram thinks Dennis Allen is the best candidate, I'm on board.

jnormand · 01-28-2022, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by turbo_dog

If Mark Ingram thinks Dennis Allen is the best candidate, I'm on board.

Did he say that? Or am I too nerdy to know when someone is being sarcastic?

vpheughan · 01-28-2022, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge.

THE INDIANAPOLIS COLTS COACH FRANK REICH inherited the partial coaching staff assembled by Josh McDaniels prior to his backing out of the job.

Three assistant coaches – defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus, offensive line coach Dave DeGuglielmo and defensive line coach Mike Phair – already had been hired during the post-season.

This year Matt Eberflus, Defensive Coordinator was hired by the Bears to become their Head Coach.

AsylumGuido · 01-28-2022, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

You definitely have good reason for wanting Allen to take over for Payton. One would think/hope we could maintain continuity with that move. I think you’re probably right in that regard. I just think we’d benefit from a new mind on the offensive side of the ball. We need some innovators. I think our offense is a little stale even with the players that we’ve lost. The way SF is using Deebo Samuel and Miami so using Jaylen Waddle, I’d love to see that level of creativity. Why haven’t we put Harris at running back and had him run routers with a linebacker matched on him? We gotta continue to grow with the league…or better yet be a step ahead of the league. I don’t think Allen would provide that spark.

I get where you are coming from as far as the offense goes. I'd like to see what Pete Carmichael is capable of coming completely out from the shadow of Sean Payton. Sure, he's done some playcalling and "playbooking", but Payton has always been in the driver's seat when it came to the offense. Even during the suspension year it was the Payton playbook they were running. Not sure of anyway to keep what semblance of success we have going without keeping pieces in place.

Our cap is not as dire as some think. They just do not understand the dynamics of this cap management concept. Our roster is also not lacking of talent. There's no reason why we can't keep anyone we want as far a free agents go. We have the second best record in the NFL over the past five seasons, including 2021. It's definitely not time for a rebuild.

01-28-2022, 10:13 AM	#121
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by TheOak If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played. Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left. Moving Dennis Allen to HC f*s with our defense. STOP f*ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle. That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge. ChrisXVI likes this.

01-28-2022, 10:17 AM	#122
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge. In other words you don't have a clue. Way to waste everyone's time little speedo. K Major likes this.

01-28-2022, 12:02 PM	#123
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Head Coach Search Man, we sure do have some pissy little brats on this forum. Crusader, leilung, AsylumGuido and 1 others like this.

01-28-2022, 12:42 PM	#124
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Man, we sure do have some pissy little brats on this forum. Oh yes we do, but we DO NOT have a race-baiter. Well, we have one, but he won't be doing that here anymore. K Major likes this.

01-28-2022, 01:17 PM	#125
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge. You definitely have good reason for wanting Allen to take over for Payton. One would think/hope we could maintain continuity with that move. I think you’re probably right in that regard. I just think we’d benefit from a new mind on the offensive side of the ball. We need some innovators. I think our offense is a little stale even with the players that we’ve lost. The way SF is using Deebo Samuel and Miami so using Jaylen Waddle, I’d love to see that level of creativity. Why haven’t we put Harris at running back and had him run routers with a linebacker matched on him? We gotta continue to grow with the league…or better yet be a step ahead of the league. I don’t think Allen would provide that spark. Crusader and Rell&Gold like this.
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01-28-2022, 01:32 PM	#126
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by TheOak Moving Dennis Allen to HC f*s with our defense. STOP f*ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle. But it’s likely that a new Head Coach coming from outside the organization would want his own staff. Plus, Allen may bolt if not given the HC job. Point is A LOT could change if an outside coach comes in. Less likely changes if Allen is promoted. AsylumGuido and Rell&Gold like this.

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turbo_dog 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,592	Re: Head Coach Search If Mark Ingram thinks Dennis Allen is the best candidate, I'm on board. SaintFanQ likes this.

01-28-2022, 02:01 PM	#128
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,661	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by turbo_dog If Mark Ingram thinks Dennis Allen is the best candidate, I'm on board. Did he say that? Or am I too nerdy to know when someone is being sarcastic?

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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,520	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That's all good and fine IF Dennis Allen was willing and able to remain as DC with someone else on the staff assuming HC duties. Or, able to remain on as DC if someone from the outside assumes those duties. I cannot remember a time that a team brought in a HC from elsewhere and kept the prior HC's staff in place. It could have happened, but not to my knowledge. THE INDIANAPOLIS COLTS COACH FRANK REICH inherited the partial coaching staff assembled by Josh McDaniels prior to his backing out of the job. Three assistant coaches – defensive coordinator Matt Eberflus, offensive line coach Dave DeGuglielmo and defensive line coach Mike Phair – already had been hired during the post-season. This year Matt Eberflus, Defensive Coordinator was hired by the Bears to become their Head Coach.
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01-28-2022, 06:21 PM	#130
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by rezburna You definitely have good reason for wanting Allen to take over for Payton. One would think/hope we could maintain continuity with that move. I think you’re probably right in that regard. I just think we’d benefit from a new mind on the offensive side of the ball. We need some innovators. I think our offense is a little stale even with the players that we’ve lost. The way SF is using Deebo Samuel and Miami so using Jaylen Waddle, I’d love to see that level of creativity. Why haven’t we put Harris at running back and had him run routers with a linebacker matched on him? We gotta continue to grow with the league…or better yet be a step ahead of the league. I don’t think Allen would provide that spark. I get where you are coming from as far as the offense goes. I'd like to see what Pete Carmichael is capable of coming completely out from the shadow of Sean Payton. Sure, he's done some playcalling and "playbooking", but Payton has always been in the driver's seat when it came to the offense. Even during the suspension year it was the Payton playbook they were running. Not sure of anyway to keep what semblance of success we have going without keeping pieces in place. Our cap is not as dire as some think. They just do not understand the dynamics of this cap management concept. Our roster is also not lacking of talent. There's no reason why we can't keep anyone we want as far a free agents go. We have the second best record in the NFL over the past five seasons, including 2021. It's definitely not time for a rebuild. Thirty3 likes this.
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