Head Coach Search

MatthewT · 02-02-2022, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right?

I think some of the racial component has to do with the Denver interview. Just a big mess all the way around...

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2022, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right?

Read this Twitter thread. Maddy Hudak does a great job of spelling out all of the components of the 58 page complaint. It's pretty straight forward ... and damning.

saintfan · 02-02-2022, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Read this Twitter thread. Maddy Hudak does a great job of spelling out all of the components of the 58 page complaint. It's pretty straight forward ... and damning.

https://twitter.com/MaddyHudak_94/st...05975196520458

How many times are you going to post this. Stop polluting all the threads. Damn man you're a piece of freaking work, you and your ego.

Boston Saint · 02-02-2022, 04:54 PM

I don’t see anything here indicating this person was treated in any way negatively specifically because he was black. Just my opinion. The most glaring “racial” issue I see brought up is that black players are over represented at 70%. If the league was serious about “equity” then there would be a move to increase Asian, Hispanic, and White players.

rezburna · 02-02-2022, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right?

The racial component is the fact they only interviewed him to satisfy the Rooney Rule and instead of being straight up and saying hey, we already wanna hire this other guy so this interview is a sham, they let him believe he had a chance when their decision was already made. He just so happened to find out about it and have some actual proof to show that the organizations just do what they need to to satisfy the rule. This is something Black coaches have talked about for years.

saintsfan1976 · 02-02-2022, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

The racial component is the fact they only interviewed him to satisfy the Rooney Rule and instead of being straight up and saying hey, we already wanna hire this other guy so this interview is a sham, they let him believe he had a chance when their decision was already made. He just so happened to find out about it and have some actual proof to show that the organizations just do what they need to to satisfy the rule. This is something Black coaches have talked about for years.

Help me understand.

If a rule stipulates coaches of a certain color must be interviewed and then you interview them, how is not landing the job now racist?

saintfan · 02-02-2022, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Honestly, tanking is a fan concept.

What we know for certain is that the NFL's system for drafting college players incentivizes tanking -- losing on purpose. The team with the worst record picks at the top of each round. No owner has ever faced such a specific accusation, and paying any contracted employee -- coach or player -- off the books is a violation of the NFL's constitution.

It's worth noting that Flores' attorneys made this a class-action lawsuit, which means others can join if they have evidence or accusations to make. Longtime NFL coach Hue Jackson suggested Wednesday on Twitter that he received a similar offer from Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam in 2016.

Hey speedo, looks like it's not a one-off eh? Dummy. It happens every season.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...king-plus-next

saintsfan1976 · 02-02-2022, 05:43 PM

And why is being a head coach the epitome of success in the NFL? Is it only related to pay?

How many total staff members of color are there in the entire NFL?

Are there enough coordinators? What about strength trainers? Communication directors?

Boston Saint · 02-02-2022, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

The racial component is the fact they only interviewed him to satisfy the Rooney Rule and instead of being straight up and saying hey, we already wanna hire this other guy so this interview is a sham, they let him believe he had a chance when their decision was already made. He just so happened to find out about it and have some actual proof to show that the organizations just do what they need to to satisfy the rule. This is something Black coaches have talked about for years.

If it shook down that way I understand his feeling slighted, but that makes the rule racist not the teams and the way they treated him because of the rule. This outcome was totally predictable when you try to force acceptance rather than let it happen naturally. If teams are too stupid to interview potential coaches simply because they are black then they are missing out on a tremendous resource and their on field product will show it.

saintsfan1976 · 02-02-2022, 05:44 PM

And John Elway sounds like a drunk ******* but not necessarily a racist.

02-02-2022, 04:01 PM	#191
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,706	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Boston Saint So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right? I think some of the racial component has to do with the Denver interview. Just a big mess all the way around...

02-02-2022, 04:30 PM	#192
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,395	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Boston Saint So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right? Read this Twitter thread. Maddy Hudak does a great job of spelling out all of the components of the 58 page complaint. It's pretty straight forward ... and damning. Twitter

02-02-2022, 04:46 PM	#193
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Read this Twitter thread. Maddy Hudak does a great job of spelling out all of the components of the 58 page complaint. It's pretty straight forward ... and damning. https://twitter.com/MaddyHudak_94/st...05975196520458 How many times are you going to post this. Stop polluting all the threads. Damn man you're a piece of freaking work, you and your ego.

02-02-2022, 04:54 PM	#194
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,878	Re: Head Coach Search I don’t see anything here indicating this person was treated in any way negatively specifically because he was black. Just my opinion. The most glaring “racial” issue I see brought up is that black players are over represented at 70%. If the league was serious about “equity” then there would be a move to increase Asian, Hispanic, and White players. halloween 65 likes this.

02-02-2022, 04:59 PM	#195
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,679	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Boston Saint So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right? The racial component is the fact they only interviewed him to satisfy the Rooney Rule and instead of being straight up and saying hey, we already wanna hire this other guy so this interview is a sham, they let him believe he had a chance when their decision was already made. He just so happened to find out about it and have some actual proof to show that the organizations just do what they need to to satisfy the rule. This is something Black coaches have talked about for years. Rell&Gold and Boston Saint like this.

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02-02-2022, 05:36 PM	#196
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,549 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by rezburna The racial component is the fact they only interviewed him to satisfy the Rooney Rule and instead of being straight up and saying hey, we already wanna hire this other guy so this interview is a sham, they let him believe he had a chance when their decision was already made. He just so happened to find out about it and have some actual proof to show that the organizations just do what they need to to satisfy the rule. This is something Black coaches have talked about for years. Help me understand. If a rule stipulates coaches of a certain color must be interviewed and then you interview them, how is not landing the job now racist? Boston Saint likes this.

02-02-2022, 05:37 PM	#197
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Honestly, tanking is a fan concept. What we know for certain is that the NFL's system for drafting college players incentivizes tanking -- losing on purpose. The team with the worst record picks at the top of each round. No owner has ever faced such a specific accusation, and paying any contracted employee -- coach or player -- off the books is a violation of the NFL's constitution. It's worth noting that Flores' attorneys made this a class-action lawsuit, which means others can join if they have evidence or accusations to make. Longtime NFL coach Hue Jackson suggested Wednesday on Twitter that he received a similar offer from Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam in 2016. Hey speedo, looks like it's not a one-off eh? Dummy. It happens every season. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...king-plus-next

02-02-2022, 05:43 PM	#198
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,549 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Head Coach Search And why is being a head coach the epitome of success in the NFL? Is it only related to pay? How many total staff members of color are there in the entire NFL? Are there enough coordinators? What about strength trainers? Communication directors?

02-02-2022, 05:43 PM	#199
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,878	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by rezburna The racial component is the fact they only interviewed him to satisfy the Rooney Rule and instead of being straight up and saying hey, we already wanna hire this other guy so this interview is a sham, they let him believe he had a chance when their decision was already made. He just so happened to find out about it and have some actual proof to show that the organizations just do what they need to to satisfy the rule. This is something Black coaches have talked about for years. If it shook down that way I understand his feeling slighted, but that makes the rule racist not the teams and the way they treated him because of the rule. This outcome was totally predictable when you try to force acceptance rather than let it happen naturally. If teams are too stupid to interview potential coaches simply because they are black then they are missing out on a tremendous resource and their on field product will show it. saintsfan1976 and halloween 65 like this.

02-02-2022, 05:44 PM	#200
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,549 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Head Coach Search And John Elway sounds like a drunk ******* but not necessarily a racist.