AsylumGuido

The Dude

But wait, I thought tanking was a fan concept and it would only take an absolute moron to believe this goes on in the NFL?

saintfan

Speedo, ah little speedo. All we ever have to do is wait for his BS to unravel. Thanks for pointing out this one. I can't believe I missed it!

Where ya at Speedo? Care to change your bull**** story sir? Bah hahahaha!

FinSaint

Pederson for HC calling the plays on offense while Carmichael continues as the OC in the same role he served in SP's staff.

If Allen wants to leave after he isn't named the HC - promote Richard or try to bring in someone like Flores if he has no other opportunities after his legal activities of late.

I want an offensive minded HC, and I get the feeling that Pederson is a players' coach, similarly as SP was, regardless of how things ended with the Eagles.

AsylumGuido

Try getting your facts straight, Dude. Here is the post that I referred to tanking being a fan concept.

https://blackandgold.com/saints/1015...tml#post943288 (Your dream coach)

"Exactly, Rugs. A franchise with a winning culture would never tank because it would destroy that culture. The only franchise I can think of that has even come close to tanking (done at the administrative level) may have been the Jaguars and look where it has gotten them. Year after year they rot near the bottom of the standings. The culture there is toxic.

Honestly, tanking is a fan concept. It's something true competitors would never consider. Personally, I want nothing but true competitors connected with the team that I love."

Nowhere did I say "only take an absolute moron to believe this goes on in the NFL". In addition, I said tanking would be at the "administrative level" (ie. the owner) and that the franchise would not have a "winning culture" (ie. the Dolphins and the Browns).

The next post

https://blackandgold.com/saints/1015...tml#post943291 (Your dream coach)

I mention how administrative tanking does occur in MLB, but "the players and coaches do everything within their abilities to win. Their individual careers are impacted."

This is exactly why Brian Flores refused the owner's demand to tank and ended up getting fired.

“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

saintfan

You can crawfish all you want little speedo, but his point, that thing that whizzed in through one ear, rattled around in your empty head, then zipped out the other ear, was the part I pulled out of that dumb response where you went to great lengths to cover your tracks.

NPD. It's real, and you my friend are a case study in the point.

BakoSaint

It would be fascinating if we hired Brian Flores as coach during the lawsuit. Most teams can't do it because they risk Goodell's ire, but we already have his ire, and we can't get any more of it. There is nothing Goodell can do beyond screwing us out of a superbowl, taking away an entire season, giving us the worst officiating call in the league every year, and not enforcing rules on the field of play if they were suggested by or could benefit our team. By hiring Flores we could actually make it harder for the NFL to screw us. All those jokes about Drew Brees wanting an explanation when the refs statistically screw us become allegations that the NFL is screwing us because of systematic racism and the Flores lawsuit, and suddenly the NFL has to be a lot more careful about it. If we hired Flores as head coach, called for a thorough and transparent investigation into his allegations, and publicly called for a new commissioner who could better represent the NFL's diverse players such as Troy Vincent or Condoleeza Rice, we would go from a cold war with Goodell to a hot war, with Goodell on the defensive in a lawsuit. I think this could actually make it harder to screw us with bad calls, and it could be quite likely for regime change to happen in the commissioners office. If it did, suddenly we are not enemy #1, and instead we are supporter #1 who helped bring the new regime in. And if it doesn't work and things blow up, we get a high draft pick and hire a new coach in a few years. Flores did a lot with a lot of roster challenges in Miami and it would be an interesting play.

MatthewT

I believe the recent events centered around Flores may have actually helped Aaron Glenn. I don't see any team touching Flores, and if Glenn gets the job at least the Saints cannot be accused of just interviewing to satisfy the Rooney rule. What I do know is if the Saints go with Dennis Allen or Doug Pederson, they better have all their ducks in a row.

leilung

I sincerely believe that anyone making a move like this has no intention of returning to the NFL. Others who follow may or may not benefit from the scrutiny of the 'process' from here on out, but to me it looks like he's burning the house after moving out.

Boston Saint

So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right?