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Boston Saint · 02-02-2022, 03:46 PM

So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right?

MatthewT · 02-02-2022, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right?

I think some of the racial component has to do with the Denver interview. Just a big mess all the way around...

AsylumGuido · 02-02-2022, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right?

Read this Twitter thread. Maddy Hudak does a great job of spelling out all of the components of the 58 page complaint. It's pretty straight forward ... and damning.

saintfan · 02-02-2022, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Read this Twitter thread. Maddy Hudak does a great job of spelling out all of the components of the 58 page complaint. It's pretty straight forward ... and damning.

https://twitter.com/MaddyHudak_94/st...05975196520458

How many times are you going to post this. Stop polluting all the threads. Damn man you're a piece of freaking work, you and your ego.

rezburna · 02-02-2022, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right?

The racial component is the fact they only interviewed him to satisfy the Rooney Rule and instead of being straight up and saying hey, we already wanna hire this other guy so this interview is a sham, they let him believe he had a chance when their decision was already made. He just so happened to find out about it and have some actual proof to show that the organizations just do what they need to to satisfy the rule. This is something Black coaches have talked about for years.

saintsfan1976 · 02-02-2022, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

The racial component is the fact they only interviewed him to satisfy the Rooney Rule and instead of being straight up and saying hey, we already wanna hire this other guy so this interview is a sham, they let him believe he had a chance when their decision was already made. He just so happened to find out about it and have some actual proof to show that the organizations just do what they need to to satisfy the rule. This is something Black coaches have talked about for years.

Help me understand.

If a rule stipulates coaches of a certain color must be interviewed and then you interview them, how is not landing the job now racist?

Boston Saint · 02-02-2022, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

The racial component is the fact they only interviewed him to satisfy the Rooney Rule and instead of being straight up and saying hey, we already wanna hire this other guy so this interview is a sham, they let him believe he had a chance when their decision was already made. He just so happened to find out about it and have some actual proof to show that the organizations just do what they need to to satisfy the rule. This is something Black coaches have talked about for years.

If it shook down that way I understand his feeling slighted, but that makes the rule racist not the teams and the way they treated him because of the rule. This outcome was totally predictable when you try to force acceptance rather than let it happen naturally. If teams are too stupid to interview potential coaches simply because they are black then they are missing out on a tremendous resource and their on field product will show it.

rezburna · 02-02-2022, 05:48 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

If it shook down that way I understand his feeling slighted, but that makes the rule racist not the teams and the way they treated him because of the rule. This outcome was totally predictable when you try to force acceptance rather than let it happen naturally. If teams are too stupid to interview potential coaches simply because they are black then they are missing out on a tremendous resource and their on field product will show it.

The litigation was created to at least get Black coaches a chance to be interviewed because there was a time when even that wasn’t happening. The hope was GM’s and owners would recognize that they are missing out on valuable resources and maybe we’d see a change. This has not been the result as we all know since Tomlin is the only Black coach in the NFL and Flores got fired after two back to back winning seasons for a franchise that hasn’t had that happen in well over a decade.

saintsfan1976 · 02-03-2022, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

The litigation was created to at least get Black coaches a chance to be interviewed because there was a time when even that wasn’t happening. The hope was GM’s and owners would recognize that they are missing out on valuable resources and maybe we’d see a change. This has not been the result as we all know since Tomlin is the only Black coach in the NFL and Flores got fired after two back to back winning seasons for a franchise that hasn’t had that happen in well over a decade.

Seems the Rooney Rule isn't having the desired outcome. I can understand why some may be frustrated.

So what is the answer? Is there a number of head coaches that give people a better sense that things are "fair", "balanced", "more representative"?

Do we consider the number of black representatives across the entire NFL landscape? Coordinators, Assistants, Directors, Executives, Owners, Part owners, NFLPA Representatives, Media, Doctors, Players..... Are those worth reevaluating?

There's been so much progress that I myself am proud to see. The fact that we're now down to fighting over a position that most franchises don't get right for decades at a time just feels disingenuous.

halloween 65 · 02-02-2022, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

If it shook down that way I understand his feeling slighted, but that makes the rule racist not the teams and the way they treated him because of the rule. This outcome was totally predictable when you try to force acceptance rather than let it happen naturally. If teams are too stupid to interview potential coaches simply because they are black then they are missing out on a tremendous resource and their on field product will show it.

I've got to agree with you. If I owned a business ( wheather I was of any origin) and was( made) (key word) to interview anyone of different origin before I hire someone that was qualified to fill the position, it's plain and simple racist. I think Caldwell(black coach) fits the bill perfectly here. I'm a white guy but believe if any origin would be better in this case a HC I'm good with it. But the Rooney rule is totally prejudice and just another divider in race.

02-02-2022, 03:46 PM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Head Coach Search So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right?

02-02-2022, 04:01 PM	#2
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Boston Saint So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right? I think some of the racial component has to do with the Denver interview. Just a big mess all the way around...

02-02-2022, 04:30 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,701	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Boston Saint So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right? Read this Twitter thread. Maddy Hudak does a great job of spelling out all of the components of the 58 page complaint. It's pretty straight forward ... and damning. Twitter

02-02-2022, 04:46 PM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Read this Twitter thread. Maddy Hudak does a great job of spelling out all of the components of the 58 page complaint. It's pretty straight forward ... and damning. https://twitter.com/MaddyHudak_94/st...05975196520458 How many times are you going to post this. Stop polluting all the threads. Damn man you're a piece of freaking work, you and your ego.

02-02-2022, 04:59 PM	#5
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Boston Saint So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right? The racial component is the fact they only interviewed him to satisfy the Rooney Rule and instead of being straight up and saying hey, we already wanna hire this other guy so this interview is a sham, they let him believe he had a chance when their decision was already made. He just so happened to find out about it and have some actual proof to show that the organizations just do what they need to to satisfy the rule. This is something Black coaches have talked about for years.

02-02-2022, 05:36 PM	#6
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,046 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by rezburna The racial component is the fact they only interviewed him to satisfy the Rooney Rule and instead of being straight up and saying hey, we already wanna hire this other guy so this interview is a sham, they let him believe he had a chance when their decision was already made. He just so happened to find out about it and have some actual proof to show that the organizations just do what they need to to satisfy the rule. This is something Black coaches have talked about for years. Help me understand. If a rule stipulates coaches of a certain color must be interviewed and then you interview them, how is not landing the job now racist?

02-02-2022, 05:43 PM	#7
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by rezburna The racial component is the fact they only interviewed him to satisfy the Rooney Rule and instead of being straight up and saying hey, we already wanna hire this other guy so this interview is a sham, they let him believe he had a chance when their decision was already made. He just so happened to find out about it and have some actual proof to show that the organizations just do what they need to to satisfy the rule. This is something Black coaches have talked about for years. If it shook down that way I understand his feeling slighted, but that makes the rule racist not the teams and the way they treated him because of the rule. This outcome was totally predictable when you try to force acceptance rather than let it happen naturally. If teams are too stupid to interview potential coaches simply because they are black then they are missing out on a tremendous resource and their on field product will show it.

02-02-2022, 05:48 PM	#8
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,114	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Boston Saint If it shook down that way I understand his feeling slighted, but that makes the rule racist not the teams and the way they treated him because of the rule. This outcome was totally predictable when you try to force acceptance rather than let it happen naturally. If teams are too stupid to interview potential coaches simply because they are black then they are missing out on a tremendous resource and their on field product will show it. The litigation was created to at least get Black coaches a chance to be interviewed because there was a time when even that wasn’t happening. The hope was GM’s and owners would recognize that they are missing out on valuable resources and maybe we’d see a change. This has not been the result as we all know since Tomlin is the only Black coach in the NFL and Flores got fired after two back to back winning seasons for a franchise that hasn’t had that happen in well over a decade.

02-03-2022, 07:07 AM	#9
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,046 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by rezburna The litigation was created to at least get Black coaches a chance to be interviewed because there was a time when even that wasn’t happening. The hope was GM’s and owners would recognize that they are missing out on valuable resources and maybe we’d see a change. This has not been the result as we all know since Tomlin is the only Black coach in the NFL and Flores got fired after two back to back winning seasons for a franchise that hasn’t had that happen in well over a decade. Seems the Rooney Rule isn't having the desired outcome. I can understand why some may be frustrated. So what is the answer? Is there a number of head coaches that give people a better sense that things are "fair", "balanced", "more representative"? Do we consider the number of black representatives across the entire NFL landscape? Coordinators, Assistants, Directors, Executives, Owners, Part owners, NFLPA Representatives, Media, Doctors, Players..... Are those worth reevaluating? There's been so much progress that I myself am proud to see. The fact that we're now down to fighting over a position that most franchises don't get right for decades at a time just feels disingenuous.

02-02-2022, 06:57 PM	#10
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Head Coach Search Originally Posted by Boston Saint If it shook down that way I understand his feeling slighted, but that makes the rule racist not the teams and the way they treated him because of the rule. This outcome was totally predictable when you try to force acceptance rather than let it happen naturally. If teams are too stupid to interview potential coaches simply because they are black then they are missing out on a tremendous resource and their on field product will show it. I've got to agree with you. If I owned a business ( wheather I was of any origin) and was( made) (key word) to interview anyone of different origin before I hire someone that was qualified to fill the position, it's plain and simple racist. I think Caldwell(black coach) fits the bill perfectly here. I'm a white guy but believe if any origin would be better in this case a HC I'm good with it. But the Rooney rule is totally prejudice and just another divider in race.