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saintfan 01-25-2022 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 942936)
So, Payton can’t coach another team until/unless the Saints give permission while he is under contract, correct?

Unless we "trade" his rights is how I understand it.

ChrisXVI 01-25-2022 08:21 PM

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The best way to do this without changing schemes and losing the good coaches we have is to make Dennis Allen the head coach, Ryan Nielsen the DC and keep Pete Carmichael as OC if he wants to stay.

Sinner 01-25-2022 09:02 PM

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What a pounding we be taking. Ouch.

Boston Saint 01-25-2022 09:08 PM

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I’m not saying I want Allen as HC. But I would not dismiss him just because he struggled with. Raiders. A LOT of coaches struggled with that franchise. His tenure there was a while ago and he likely learned a lot about being a HC serving under Payton. Belichick struggled with his first head coaching job too.

lee909 01-25-2022 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 942951)
The best way to do this without changing schemes and losing the good coaches we have is to make Dennis Allen the head coach, Ryan Nielsen the DC and keep Pete Carmichael as OC if he wants to stay.

The tricky part is that Kris Richard is getting interview to be a DC

Looks like whichever one(if they do) gets promoted you likely lose the other. Shame we lost Dam Campbell last year as he looks like he will be a good HC, thought he did well all things considered in Detriot

lee909 01-25-2022 09:34 PM

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Is it wrong that i would like to start a rumour going that Rex Ryan is coming in as HC and bringing back Rob as DC just to see the reaction?

RailBoss 01-25-2022 09:34 PM

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Simple have Sean swap jobs with Drew, keep the existing staff.
I think Drew would make an outstanding Coach..
So now back to reality.......

RailBoss 01-25-2022 09:36 PM

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Also that press conference was hard to watch..

The Dude 01-25-2022 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 942880)
Wonder if Pete Carmichael would get any consideration?

From what I hear he is a great play caller and X’s and O’s guy but not someone you want as a motivator/leader. He’s more of a soft spoken kind of guy.

jeanpierre 01-25-2022 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 942938)
Think so,until 2024 at least

Not necessarily, contractually he owes the team remaining years on contract, so if he takes time off and gets an offer, say Dallas, then the Saints have to release his rights...

Gruden going to TB got the Raiders two first round picks; gotta believe that's the start of the compensation package...

RailBoss 01-25-2022 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 942959)
Is it wrong that i would like to start a rumour going that Rex Ryan is coming in as HC and bringing back Rob as DC just to see the reaction?

Yes it's wrong and if you don't cease and desist we have no choice but to summon the Rougaru to deal with you...

Rell&Gold 01-26-2022 01:03 AM

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Players won't matter if the coaching isn't there thats what separate teams in the league EVERYONE HAS TALENT not everyone has coaching; this transition is going to be CRUCIAL. The Saints need to take a Vacay as well and follow Sean because they have some big decisions to make as well

Crusader 01-26-2022 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 942915)
Aren't we going to need to interview Bienemy, Leftwich, Caldwell, etc. per the Rooney rule?

Leftwich just signed as the HC for the Jaguars. I think he will be a great fit there. Seems like he has a good offensive mind and as a former NFL QB he should be able to develop Lawrence.

subguy 01-26-2022 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 942913)
There’s no way I would hire 8-28 Dennis Allen to take over for Sean Payton. Give someone like Eric Bienemy, Kellen Moore, or Byron Leftwich a chance.

For some reason Kellen Moore came into my head....I think there have been multiple backroom talks with Cowboys. I think Allen or Moore.

Cruize 01-26-2022 06:11 AM

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Dennis Allen. Great job with the defense. Familiar to everyone. Deserves another shot after the Raiders dysfunctional organization. The Saints don't need an overhaul. Just a smooth transition.

K Major 01-26-2022 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 942984)
Leftwich just signed as the HC for the Jaguars. I think he will be a great fit there. Seems like he has a good offensive mind and as a former NFL QB he should be able to develop Lawrence.

Good for Byron and I'm glad he's getting a shot with the Jags.

There is talent in Jacksonville. Coach 'em up!

AsylumGuido 01-26-2022 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 942984)
Leftwich just signed as the HC for the Jaguars. I think he will be a great fit there. Seems like he has a good offensive mind and as a former NFL QB he should be able to develop Lawrence.

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 942999)
Good for Byron and I'm glad he's getting a shot with the Jags.

There is talent in Jacksonville. Coach 'em up!

This just posted 30 minutes ago. It appears the Jags job isn't finalized yet.


BakoSaint 01-26-2022 12:11 PM

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Cap hell is the reality even if some won’t admit it. Yes we could keep the band together if we restructure all our big contracts to prorate more bad money into future years, but the band was 9-8, will be a year older and more injuries in, and this will just put us in the same cap hell next year. In this cycle we cant add anyone and the bad contracts we restructure leave them with even more guaranteed money and potential dead cap if cut in future years, so we end uo renewing our vows with taysom hill, andrus peat, and michael thomas, tearing up whatever prenup we might have, betting big on Lattimore being the same player in his 30’s, and the cycle continues until Peat is 45 and inactive every week with a $100 million cap his if his 10 years of prorated bonuses are triggered with a cut.

Top coaches would not be wise to take the Saints job. The best bet is for young defensive coaches who this is their only shot, who can make a name on our defensive players even if the offense is poor, and perhaps weather the storm and get a job as a top DC even if they just last 2 mediocre to poor seasons here. A young offensive coach would be unwise to take the Saints gig given our only decent receiver combined then grievances of a young antonio brown with the ankle health of a post-browns terrelle pryor, our top qb under contract is a 30-something running qb coming off a multiweek concussion and lis franc injury who has never stayed healthy as a starter at any level, we are locked into playing Andrus Peat and or paying his medical bills by his bad contract, we dont have the cap to make improvements, and to make a splash a young OC simply needs to succeed with the same pieces that Sean Payton couldnt. So an Aaron Glenn or Dennis Allen could make sense. Or someone could insist on a 5-10 year contract and GM powers and do the rebuild for 2 years.

saintfan 01-26-2022 12:13 PM

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Here comes speedo in 3, 2, 1...

AsylumGuido 01-26-2022 12:47 PM

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Here we go! Looks like this guy is available again!



saintfan 01-26-2022 12:51 PM

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LOL. Right on cue.

Bah hahahahaha..

:banana:

https://c.tenor.com/ox4EUcONlfUAAAAC...aggressive.gif

AsylumGuido 01-26-2022 01:07 PM

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AsylumGuido 01-26-2022 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 942913)
There’s no way I would hire 8-28 Dennis Allen to take over for Sean Payton. Give someone like Eric Bienemy, Kellen Moore, or Byron Leftwich a chance.


saintfan 01-26-2022 01:20 PM

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And again...wait for it...

Boston Saint 01-26-2022 01:46 PM

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I’m leaning more towards continuity. Let’s go Dennis Allen.

AsylumGuido 01-26-2022 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 943057)
I’m leaning more towards continuity. Let’s go Dennis Allen.

It's early on, but I'm leaning the same way for the same reason.

leilung 01-26-2022 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 943057)
I’m leaning more towards continuity. Let’s go Dennis Allen.

It's Allen if we're not going to gut the team and rebuild. Otherwise, I like the idea of new blood.

shawnkytonk 01-26-2022 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 943052)

NO

SaintFanInATLHELL 01-26-2022 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 943073)
NO

Why not?

SFIAH

shawnkytonk 01-26-2022 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 943074)
Why not?

SFIAH

No, as in he isn't the only one who kind of wants Bienemy. Unfortunately that line wasn't shown in me quoting it.

ChrisXVI 01-26-2022 04:11 PM

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People can grow and change, but Eric Bieniemy has a history of being a pretty big piece of crap. There’s reasons teams won’t hire him.

Boston Saint 01-26-2022 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 943078)
People can grow and change, but Eric Bieniemy has a history of being a pretty big piece of crap. There’s reasons teams won’t hire him.

Hey Chris. I don’t doubt at all, but can you remind me what you are referring to.

AsylumGuido 01-26-2022 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 943079)
Hey Chris. I don’t doubt at all, but can you remind me what you are referring to.

Assault of a female parking lot attendant in 1993 and 2001 DUI I believe.

Here's a story covering it ...

AsylumGuido 01-26-2022 04:37 PM

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I hadn't considered this possibility. He has the in-state ties, for sure.


jeanpierre 01-26-2022 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 943078)
People can grow and change, but Eric Bieniemy has a history of being a pretty big piece of crap. There’s reasons teams won’t hire him.

Big question in my mind, is the Chiefs' success him, Andy Reid, or Mahomes and his boys?

jeanpierre 01-26-2022 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 943057)
I’m leaning more towards continuity. Let’s go Dennis Allen.

If it keeps this staff together, like when the 49ers promoted DC George Seifert to succeed HC Bill Walsh, yeah...

jnormand 01-26-2022 04:53 PM

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Bieniemy is piece of trash. He's the type of coach that, if left in charge, will let the locker room destroy itself. Just my opinion. I'd rather not have him coaching the Saints. Him being a member of the Saints in any capacity would be ironic.

The Dude 01-26-2022 04:54 PM

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I really don’t think we have much of a choice. Coaches won’t exactly be lining up at the door given our cap and Qb situation.
If you are trying to get your first chance as a HC you want to go with a team that’s trending up instead of one that’s just…trending. This is going to be a tough place to succeed for a while. I think DA is probably the safest bet right now. We can finally make a push for Gruden, or Urban Mayer for that matter.
Wonder what the draft is going to look like now.

The Dude 01-26-2022 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 943082)
Big question in my mind, is the Chiefs' success him, Andy Reid, or Mahomes and his boys?

Reed has a winning history. I think it’s more him and Mahommes than anything else.

AsylumGuido 01-26-2022 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 943083)
If it keeps this staff together, like when the 49ers promoted DC George Seifert to succeed HC Bill Walsh, yeah...

Yeah, I don't see how bringing in anyone from the outside would work if wanting to keep the staff together unless they were simply a placeholder. Any legitimate hire brought in would want to have a say in staffing, I would imagine.


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