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Might affect his chances for the Saints job. Ya think?

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Tread lightly race baiter...

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unfortunately will probably affect just about any opportunity.... I like him and would take him as coach.

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Yup. That's exactly what I was saying. He mentioned it himself saying that this might cost him his coaching career. This is far too much of a distraction for any hiring team to take on.

Edit: RGIII thinks so, too.

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So I guess it's Tom Flores then?

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A lot of heavily biased comments but lets roll them up and understand the implications. Everyone is still trying to win with the cards in their hand but ignoring the deck.

Allen Gets the Job:
- You have lost the focus of your DC.
- People go with what they know and Dennis Allen will go with Sean Payton's offense, unless you prefer he go with the less than .300 win rate offense he used when he was a HC. Continuity is not always a good thing.
- You have not gained an OC to replace what Sean Payton brought to the table.
- We do not have weapons except for Kamara and need a QB and Wide Receivers. Not a single free agent playing those positions that has visited New Orleans in the past years, visited because they wanted to play for Dennis Allen. Dennis Allen as HC is not going to attract any of the notable offensive free agents that we need (don't bring up cap that is a different discussion and we know how that is played). You noticed how interest decayed after Brees left? Allen will be a desert of interest.
- We had two people worthy of the title 'able to develop a QB', they are both gone and that's a piece this puzzle needs filled. It is not Dennis Allen.

Allen Does not get the job:
- Allen might leave. Well, if he leaves New Orleans or leaves the DC position his focus on the defense is lost.
- Allen might stay. ZERO teams are presently offering him a HC job (maybe the Saints), he would be a moron to leave New Orleans to be a DC starting over somewhere else.
- A new HC might replace Allen, well if you make him HC you have replaced him as DC. Any new HC that would immediately replace Dennis Allen as DC considering our defensive performance in 2021 and having a TOP 5 defense two years in a row is a HC we do not want and can join Allen in the 'would be a moron' box.


We all debate how things should change but we all silently agree that things need to change. Promoting Allen to HC would be the first step in keeping things the same. :bng:

Having been born and raised in Louisiana I feel comfortable in saying this. Louisianans hold on to broken sh1t way too long, they beat their fists for change but cant stomach what it takes to make those changes.

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Agree with you on this Oak. I think he probably leaves if he doesn't get the HC job. Knowing he wanted the job would make it awkward between him and another coach. I still think he gets it, but please Mr. Loomis, do your homework.

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Wow, a lot there. EVERYTHING said here is heavily biased that's what we do here. Not sure what NEEDS to be changed. 4 years division winners, winning season last year, narrowly missing the playoffs with all of the adversity (do we really need to relive all that, how do you not acknowledge that?) so yeah I want to hold on to this sh!t.

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Now you sound like Guido with all of the drama... Do you know what "everything" means? Irregardless, some people are capable of objective critical assessments.

A critical objective assessment would be taking your "4 years division winners", and recognizing that the statement is moot since both the HC and QB associated are gone. Hell, the HC and QB associated with your 9-8 "winning season" season are gone as well and after Winston got hurt we went 5-6...

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THIS IS SOOOOO TRUE.

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OK, Guido...low dude, did I attack/insult you? So only your "objective critical assessments" count? I guess you are the one here who is not biased.

And "everything" means losing starting QB, starting 4 QBs, losing most of our O-line for almost the entire season, lack of Michael Thomas, hurricane displacement, 20 starters out for the Dolphins game...none of these matter? I don't know how you ignore these. Yeah SP is gone but his staff is still there and he built a good one. I don't think Dennis is not going to keep his stamp on the defense just because he takes over the HC job. Sean didn't lose his stamp on the O by being HC. Defense is our strength. DA is good for business.

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I think he ended his NFL career. I feel for him.

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Yeah. If there was some way we could keep Dennis Allen at DC, I think he'd make an excellent HC for the Saints, but this thing is going to drag out for quite awhile given the class action status. It can't help but be a huge distraction.

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Duncan has Allen as the heavy favorite.

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And the team wasn't right even at 5-2. I place the reason on WRs and O-Line. We were not very good there, from the start really. Fish boy (Trautman) is not the answer at TE either - I'm going to keep beating that drum until he proves me wrong, and my arms are getting tired. We need playmakers and outside of Kamara. Who's that guy? Thomas maybe. Then what?

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No, Condi needs to be the new NFL Commish

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She would make a great Commissioner.

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Tell me why you believe this, because I don't think you have a clue and you're just going along, and I bet I know why. I'll wait here for your intelligent response...

:popcorn:

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But wait, I thought tanking was a fan concept and it would only take an absolute moron to believe this goes on in the NFL?

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Speedo, ah little speedo. All we ever have to do is wait for his BS to unravel. Thanks for pointing out this one. I can't believe I missed it!

Where ya at Speedo? Care to change your bull**** story sir? Bah hahahaha!

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Pederson for HC calling the plays on offense while Carmichael continues as the OC in the same role he served in SP's staff.

If Allen wants to leave after he isn't named the HC - promote Richard or try to bring in someone like Flores if he has no other opportunities after his legal activities of late.

I want an offensive minded HC, and I get the feeling that Pederson is a players' coach, similarly as SP was, regardless of how things ended with the Eagles.

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Try getting your facts straight, Dude. Here is the post that I referred to tanking being a fan concept.

https://blackandgold.com/saints/1015...tml#post943288

"Exactly, Rugs. A franchise with a winning culture would never tank because it would destroy that culture. The only franchise I can think of that has even come close to tanking (done at the administrative level) may have been the Jaguars and look where it has gotten them. Year after year they rot near the bottom of the standings. The culture there is toxic.

Honestly, tanking is a fan concept. It's something true competitors would never consider. Personally, I want nothing but true competitors connected with the team that I love."

Nowhere did I say "only take an absolute moron to believe this goes on in the NFL". In addition, I said tanking would be at the "administrative level" (ie. the owner) and that the franchise would not have a "winning culture" (ie. the Dolphins and the Browns).

The next post

https://blackandgold.com/saints/1015...tml#post943291

I mention how administrative tanking does occur in MLB, but "the players and coaches do everything within their abilities to win. Their individual careers are impacted."

This is exactly why Brian Flores refused the owner's demand to tank and ended up getting fired.

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You can crawfish all you want little speedo, but his point, that thing that whizzed in through one ear, rattled around in your empty head, then zipped out the other ear, was the part I pulled out of that dumb response where you went to great lengths to cover your tracks.

NPD. It's real, and you my friend are a case study in the point.

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It would be fascinating if we hired Brian Flores as coach during the lawsuit. Most teams can't do it because they risk Goodell's ire, but we already have his ire, and we can't get any more of it. There is nothing Goodell can do beyond screwing us out of a superbowl, taking away an entire season, giving us the worst officiating call in the league every year, and not enforcing rules on the field of play if they were suggested by or could benefit our team. By hiring Flores we could actually make it harder for the NFL to screw us. All those jokes about Drew Brees wanting an explanation when the refs statistically screw us become allegations that the NFL is screwing us because of systematic racism and the Flores lawsuit, and suddenly the NFL has to be a lot more careful about it. If we hired Flores as head coach, called for a thorough and transparent investigation into his allegations, and publicly called for a new commissioner who could better represent the NFL's diverse players such as Troy Vincent or Condoleeza Rice, we would go from a cold war with Goodell to a hot war, with Goodell on the defensive in a lawsuit. I think this could actually make it harder to screw us with bad calls, and it could be quite likely for regime change to happen in the commissioners office. If it did, suddenly we are not enemy #1, and instead we are supporter #1 who helped bring the new regime in. And if it doesn't work and things blow up, we get a high draft pick and hire a new coach in a few years. Flores did a lot with a lot of roster challenges in Miami and it would be an interesting play.

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I believe the recent events centered around Flores may have actually helped Aaron Glenn. I don't see any team touching Flores, and if Glenn gets the job at least the Saints cannot be accused of just interviewing to satisfy the Rooney rule. What I do know is if the Saints go with Dennis Allen or Doug Pederson, they better have all their ducks in a row.

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I sincerely believe that anyone making a move like this has no intention of returning to the NFL. Others who follow may or may not benefit from the scrutiny of the 'process' from here on out, but to me it looks like he's burning the house after moving out.

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So, the owner or whatever wanted him to tank for a better draft pick. Then, another team’s coach mistakenly calls him to congratulate him when another guy got the job. Maybe Im just not getting it, but where is the racial component? He WAS hired as a head coach, right?

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I think some of the racial component has to do with the Denver interview. Just a big mess all the way around...

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Read this Twitter thread. Maddy Hudak does a great job of spelling out all of the components of the 58 page complaint. It's pretty straight forward ... and damning.

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How many times are you going to post this. Stop polluting all the threads. Damn man you're a piece of freaking work, you and your ego. :brood:

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I don’t see anything here indicating this person was treated in any way negatively specifically because he was black. Just my opinion. The most glaring “racial” issue I see brought up is that black players are over represented at 70%. If the league was serious about “equity” then there would be a move to increase Asian, Hispanic, and White players.

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The racial component is the fact they only interviewed him to satisfy the Rooney Rule and instead of being straight up and saying hey, we already wanna hire this other guy so this interview is a sham, they let him believe he had a chance when their decision was already made. He just so happened to find out about it and have some actual proof to show that the organizations just do what they need to to satisfy the rule. This is something Black coaches have talked about for years.

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Help me understand.

If a rule stipulates coaches of a certain color must be interviewed and then you interview them, how is not landing the job now racist?

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Hey speedo, looks like it's not a one-off eh? Dummy. It happens every season. :rolleyes:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...king-plus-next

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And why is being a head coach the epitome of success in the NFL? Is it only related to pay?

How many total staff members of color are there in the entire NFL?

Are there enough coordinators? What about strength trainers? Communication directors?

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If it shook down that way I understand his feeling slighted, but that makes the rule racist not the teams and the way they treated him because of the rule. This outcome was totally predictable when you try to force acceptance rather than let it happen naturally. If teams are too stupid to interview potential coaches simply because they are black then they are missing out on a tremendous resource and their on field product will show it.

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And John Elway sounds like a drunk ******* but not necessarily a racist.