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That's my main question on Bieniemy, and Leftwich, too. And I suppose Carmichael falls in that same boat.

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Assaults (including women), DUI, rape scandal when he was recruiting for Colorado.

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Me thinks there’s about to be a major coaching exodus from New Orleans. We are screwed any way you cut it.

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Pederson might be a good choice if they don't want to promote from the inside and want an offensive coach as the HC.

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Jim Harbaugh?

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Yes I noticed that a while after posting. Can't seem to find the article I read about it any longer. Seems like I was to quick to post here.

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More like someone in the media was too quick to post. ;)

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Some items to consider..

- If the organization does not have a succession plan in place for Sean Payton's replacement, Loomis should be gone.

- If the organization did not know this was coming, Loomis should be gone. Surprises at this level only happen when there is a breakdown in relation ships and there being a breakdown in relation ships should have been a red flag to Loomis to get his ducks in order.

- New coaches from outside tend to being in 'their people', and that has the potential of changing our defense which is in a very good place right now.

- Sean should be considered done, and gone. Never to return again as that statement from him just broke the confidence of every player on that team. His replacement should be brought in ASAP to begin the transitions.

As far as the offense is concerned no changes would make it less consistent, clean the house. Many probably loved Sean and will start looking anyway just like Sean loved Drew and once Drew was gone so was his love of going to work each day.:bng:

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According to an interview with Jay Glazer yesterday, he said he saw it coming last summer. He said Sean just seemed tired. He said he talks with Payton almost daily and he said down the stretch this was a known possibility. Loomis and Gayle were aware. I think Payton is too much of a stickler for details to not have discussed contingencies with Loomis. He had already made the decision to leave, but Gayle talked him into taking a couple more days after the season was over to decide for sure. Glazer, laughing, said Payton then disappeared to Cabo with Skylene for two weeks. He said he talked to Payton several times during those two weeks but he was always so drunk he made very little sense. LOL! He said Payton was positive about the decision when he returned.

He basically indicated what you said, Oak, about Payton being done and gone.

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There goes one of the possible landing spots for Dennis Allen. Perhaps their expectations was Allen remaining with the Saints.

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I’m leaning towards Allen. But if they are not going to promote from within, I’d search through Pittsburgh’s team for ideas. They’ve maintained success
through changes in both coaches and QBs. Bottom line is the Steelers have NEVER really “sucked” for a stretch while I’ve been watching football. That’s a rare thing. Just a thought.

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This has been a great discussion. It's almost like the excitement of draft time when I'm learning about the different prospects the members each like.

I was in disbelief when my twin brother told me that Sean Payton had retired as the Saints coach. I thought for sure that this was click bait like the Payton to Dallas nonsense each year. Jerry Jones and the Benson's ownership style is on opposite ends of the spectrum. Sean wants an owner who will step back and open up the check book for his vision. That's not Jerry Jones style at all. He is someone that is too hands on considering he has zero football knowledge.

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There's the Rooney Rule requirement satisfaction at the very least.

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If the organization wasn't as sound and supportive, I may agree with you

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He's from the Parcell's cloth and what did he say about Jones/Cowboys organization, "they want you to cook the meal, but won't let you shop for the groceries" or something like that....but it lends credence to what you are saying.

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All this Cowboys talk is meaningless. What ties does he have to the organization? He was an assistant coach almost two decades ago. That's pretty much it. His ex-wife used to live there. I doubt that's a big draw. They haven't won anything in decades. Certainly no winning culture.

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I wasn't saying anything about Payton going to Dallas, or even looking at the job....meerly responding to anothers' post. So please don't include me the Payton/Dallas hype. What's meaningless is you commenting on it.

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I'm leaning toward Dennis Allen as the hire for continuity reasons. However, I always liked Leftwich. I remember a game in college where he was playing QB for Marshall and somehow injured his foot during a crucial drive in the game. His linemen picked him up and carried him down the field after he threw a completion so they could run the next play. You could see how much they respected him as a leader. That has always stuck with me.

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I wasn't talking about your posting at all, bobdog. Sorry. It just got me thinking about social media and talking heads. All these goofy Dallas fans having Payton leading them to the promised land this season and such. I agreed with what you said.

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All good...Geaux Saints!!

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Out of all the candidates thus far, I want Byron Leftwich. I want a first time head coach with a fresh mind. The NFL background helps too.

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Word is that Leftwich's agent is using the Saints to turn up the heat on the Jags to "get off the pot" on the deal they've been working on. By the way, all three candidates (Leftwich, Glenn, and Allen) for the Saints job all have the same agent.

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I’m not feeling Glenn or Allen.

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Not on Glenn myself. I'd lean toward Allen solely for continuity. Leftwich if they are willing to retool the coaching staff. I still see this roster as being in win now mode with Thomas and others returning from injury ... and that includes bringing back Winston.

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I agree. Let’s get some fresh ideas rather than keep trying to use our retired coach’s playbook.

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Looking like Vegas thinks Allen is the favorite to get the job. If Loomis and Payton had a succession plan in place Allen would be the only logical choice given he was the only one already in place.

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If you listened to Sean's press conference he said (paraphrasing) "When I quit, I first went in to tell Mrs. Benson, then I went to Mickey, then I went to Dennis" that's telling to me.

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The sentiment is nice, but (with respect) if he didn’t prepare them a while ago for this then it really doesn’t matter who he told first. I guess I just mean I hoped this didn’t hit them out the blue.

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No disrespect taken, and I mean none in return. I wasn't implying that everything came out of the blue. I'm sure there was a succession plan prior to this week. That doesn't mean it was in concrete WHEN the changeover was going to happen. Sean said he took a week to finalize his decision and I'm going to give him the benefit of doubt. He didn't go next after management/ownership to the OC, STC or any other coach just DA. Which to me was probably "here's the keys guy" situation. That's just how I see it. Time will tell.

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Yeah, I realized I sort of missed your point after I made my post. I think you mean it was telling that he mentioned Allen third. That seems like it means Payton endorses him.

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That's where I got tripped up to, but I think Sean was referring to Dennis Lauscha Saints President.

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I think it was pretty sudden for some of the staff. I heard Streif say that they found out 30 minutes before the press conference. Obviously Loomis and Mrs Benson knew about it before but they made it sound like they kept it very close to the vest until the very last minute. He said he was picking Brees brain about broadcasting the night before.
Payton mentioned he was thinking about taking a break during training camp.

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He took two weeks to finalize that decision according to Jay Glazer. The two weeks he spent in Cabo with Skylene. Both Glazer and Payton said he had discussed going ahead and stepping down with Gayle and Loomis and Gayle said to take a couple of more days to think about it when the time came. Then came the two weeks of partying on the beach. When he said he finally shared his final decision with Benson, then Loomis, then Dennis, I immediately thought Lauscha, as well. In affect, those are his only true "bosses" there.

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If I were some of you I would stop looking so hard at the card you want to play and look at the cards that have been played.

Dennis Allen is 8-28 as a head coach. I don’t care where or why I care that in three seasons he could not break .250 as a Head Coach. The Raiders were 8-8 the season before he arrived and 7-9 the season after he left.

Moving Dennis Allen to HC f***s with our defense. STOP f***ing with a great defense. We are going to NEED the continuity of Allen+his defense to get us through the teething pains of a new HC, QB, and offensive game plan. The defense is the ONLY stable piece to our puzzle.

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Spock was brilliant with logic but very bad at its application and made the wrong choice +/- 80% of the time.

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Totally agree. Allen has been the only DC given decent players in the draft and good FA under Payton. No other DC ever got that under Payton. As a HC (as you stated) Allen failed miserably. I would look elsewhere for a HC and let Allen stay as the DC.