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Whoever gets the nod for the job they might want to get their ducks in a row soon.
It's going to be a tough job to get the team sorted out and get down to business.

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The Peter Principle: In a hierarchal structure an individual will rise to their level of incompetence. Carmichael may have the insight to understand this principle. That insight probably came through a combination of watching Payton over the years and the few HC interviews he had experienced in the past.

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If it's an inhouse hire those ducks will have been getting into formation over the past month. I know they had a full presence at the Senior bowl this past week with the front office, coaching staff, and scouting department all there en masse.

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No ****. lol

Thank you Mr Helper...

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False equivalency Rez.

A Billionaire gaining ownership, I don't care what color they are, isn't "helping us out"...

I don't see how you can trivialize the multi-million dollar contracts and endorsements that follow as simply labor on the field.

The response in recent years has in fact done more to elevate people of color into the positions they're qualified for than ever before. The path is there. The makeup is changing. But I get the feeling it's not enough or not happening quickly enough. So what IS the desired outcome?

It's not delegitimizing the argument it's trying to remove the surface level argument of race permeating every facet of our views.

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It is “helping us out” because they aren’t asking the fans for the help. They’re asking the billionaire owners and the millionaire executives and coaches. Millionaire money is definitely trivial to a multi billionaire, hence the fact the billionaires can afford to pay them these salaries.

There’s one Black head coach in the NFL fam. To say that the make up is changing is to assume progress is linear and regression doesn’t exist. We’ve already seen the regression because Tomlin stands alone. If not for him being on the team that created the Rooney Rule he probably would have been fired years ago too.

And let’s just be honest, Black people didn’t create the socioeconomic construct of race. The fact that it does permeate every facet of society isn’t a decision that we made. We were born into this situation and we see this in all facets. I’m writing my dissertation on the lack of African American representation in the c-suite of healthcare facilities. 91% of all hospital CEO’s are White men. We can find this pattern almost everywhere my brotha. When is it okay to call a spade a spade? All these brothas are doing is reporting their lived experiences and the data and historical context of our relationship in America supports it all.

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And now back to sports.....threads like this are the reason I only have 1645 posts since 2002.

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Last interview today (Eric Bieniemy). We should have a new head coach tomorrow. It’ll be Dennis Allen of course.

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Probably the best option for this moment. If he doesn't work out, at least we had soem consistency in a rather chaotic franchise. We all know what a carousel the NFL coaching jobs are, Payton,Tomlin and Belichick having long runs but they are the exception as opposed to the rule because of their long run of winning seasons.

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Eric Bieniemy to bring back the high powered offense. Maybe he turn our Hill into a version of KC'S Hill? :)

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I'm not following you on how paying salaries correlates to leadership in the NFL. Or diversity. Or equity. Maybe I'm just missing the point but I respect your view.

There's one black HC today yes. But there were three last season. This season, nine HCs were fired. Six jobs have been filled (with white men) but if you read about the connections and reasoning, it's hard to surmise race a factor: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-coach-h...versity-issues

Also worth noting from that article: Two more Black general managers were hired in Chicago (Ryan Poles) and Minnesota (Kwesi Adofo-Mensah), bringing the total to seven Black GMs (the most since 2016), important diversity in the job that usually advises owners most closely on football matters. Those were all, inarguably, positive developments.

I can appreciate that race wasn't created by black people. And although it does, as you say "permeate every facet of society" - it shouldn't. And it only does because we allow it to. We allow ourselves to be divided on superficial lines and in fact we allow certain figures to promote a sort of "anti hate" that is many ways bent on forcefully over-correcting society through aggressive means that only furthers the divide among us.

And lastly, if a black CEO can change the healthcare system to work for all of us instead of preying on us for profits then I hope every seat in America is filled by one. But in reality, it'll only be for show.

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This is what a rational, logical debate between two people with respect for each others' opinion looks like.

Feel free to make post #1646 about something more substantive yourself.

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Byron Leftwich is I think a good example of all the intricacies involved when determining how a coach will fit with the totality of an NFL organization.

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Agreed. People have to stop being so uncomfortable talking about racial issues. This country was founded on racial issues. This is 400 years of culture. This is embedded into the very fabric of American society. It’s pretty arrogant to assume we’d have worked through all that in 50 years.

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The core of the conversation is that in order to really effect change you have to be in control. You have to be a decision maker. You have to be in important positions with influence and power on your side. Race shouldn’t permeate every facet of society but it does, so as the demographic that sits on the bottom of the socioeconomic totem pole we aren’t in any real position to say that we aren’t going to go along with the rules of the game.

We’re in a capitalistic society and we desire the capital and positions of power that would allow us to give ourselves equality and equity instead of always having to beg for it from White America. Many Black people think money can allow them to subvert racism but that’s not true, that can only be done at a macro level with large segments of the group rising to power and handling that power equitably amongst our community.

Now again, I go back to agreeing with the fact that these owners can do what they want with their teams. At the end of the day if the Black players and coaches truly wanted to take a stand they could all break away from the NFL and partner up with the 7 Black billionaires in America to start their own league. They could even go to the XFL and make sure that those teams have the desired level of African American influence to reflect the population of the players.

But that’s the honorable Malcolm X talk, and most of our community still has similar to hopes to the honorable Dr. Martin Luther King. So for somebody like me viewing the situation, the NFL owners and corporations all across America should really be grateful that the Black community is still so hopeful.

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Wrong. This country was founded on Freedom not racial. Discrimiation has been in every country since man's greed for power and will continue because there is (always) some greedy bastard out there. Wars over land, gold, oil, diamonds or whatever a greedy person with enough of an army could take from another that was conquered has paid the price enslaving those that were conquered. As far as slavery goes all races, black, white, yellow have endured throughout time. It's just how things have been and to think that it will ever stop is not thinking clearly, still goes on today. Trying to sell it over and over makes it worst, which many do for money and power alone without (true) regret over any race. I've never owned a person(slave of any race) and don't know of anyone that has or ever will and to be put into position to keep on hearing about it time after time after time leaves a bad taste in many peoples mouth along with mine. So if it's equality (anyone) seeks, not gonna happen, nothing is ever equal.

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You’ve got good points rez, But every civilization/ country was founded along racial issues in some way. Ancient Egypt enslaved Jews. Japanese and Chinese cultures have always had strife of wars and slavery. So has the middle east. Ancient African, South, Central and North American peoples routinely fought and enslaved each other. It’s not a unique thing so deeply embedded here as you think. This is the only country to fight an internal civil war to stop slavery. It by far is the country in the world with the most variety of races and cultures living peacefully under one flag. I had a good friend I worked with from Ethiopia who won a lottery to be able to leave his country and move here. He told me once he cries when he hears people talk about how racist this country is because “people here have no f***ing clue what real racism and oppression is”. The stories he told me about living and escaping life there turned my stomach. People from around the world risk their lives to come here. How can it be a monstrously racist place if that is so?

I think too much is made of the evils of the past and tearing the country down rather than celebrate, appreciate, and build off of the progress America has made. The NFL has made more black millionaires than any other business in the history of the world. If the league is racist it Doesn’t sound like they are doing a very good job.

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This pretty much says it all for me.

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A country can’t be founded on freedom when there was entire group of people enslaved based on race and race alone. Racism predates the country and is a building block of the nation. To try to paint it in any other light is disingenuous and leaves a bad taste in the mouths of 42 million African American people living in this nation. I really can’t understand how the “I never owned a slave” thing is still a talking point. Nobody said you did. I didn’t even imply somebody in your ancestry did, but that doesn’t negate the fact that a socioeconomic hierarchy built on race was created before this nation even declared for independence. If you can’t even admit the truth about what the country was really founded on then it truly is no hope for the future of America.

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Of course it does, because you're too weak and scared to have your own opinion.

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How could we not know what real racism is when America created racism fam? The system of race as we know it was created here. They were going off of tribes and religions in the ancient times. Black, White, etc. didn’t exist. That’s unique to here. Why does everybody always want to try and deflect to what other countries did or didn’t do? We’re talking about what happened right here. What happens right here. We don’t live in those other countries. We weren’t bought and sold in those other countries. And “chattel” slavery was created in this one. How is it not deeply embedded when slavery went from 1619 to 1885 predating the country itself and Jim Crow went from 1885 to the 1960’s? How is it not deeply embedded when this country has been OPENLY racist for longer than it existed? Come on man. Y’all can’t be serious with me right now.

But most importantly, if the Japanese still take issue with what the Chinese did I’m never going to tell them their wrong. I don’t believe there was a such a thing as Hebrew people during the reign of Ancient Egypt, but for the sake of the debate, if those people took issue with the Egyptians I don’t have anything to say. That’s their quarrels. It ain’t my business. We don’t need to hear about what everybody else did. We need to deal with our ****.

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We seriously need to talk about race in this country. This whole sticking our heads in the sand will only make it worse. Some people just have a if it didn’t happen to me, then it it doesn’t happen approach and that’s wrong. I served for this country and have been called a ni*ger to my face and have been told by some women they don’t date my kind. This is 2022 and this still happens. It’s not everybody but people are still preaching hate. We gotta find some common ground all races and all political parties or this country will tear itself apart

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The Egyptian empire enslaved the hebrews way before America came along. Barbary coast pirates of North Africa raided European settlements for white slaves in the 1500s. Black slavers captured Black slaves who were sold to Black slave owners here in the colonies. This is not to say racism was/is not
a part of North America’s history. It obviously is. However, Evidence exists that America did not invent slavery or racism. Dumping that baggage on any group today and saying they are responsible is unfair.

Head Coach Search - Part Deux
 

Back to the subject at hand.

News on one of the Saints finalists:

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Ego much?

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I think most of us here and plenty of Americans think exactly the way you do. I think also that plenty don't realize the flames are being purposely stoked by folks/entities behind the scenes, those with their own agenda. If we commoners can stick together, we can overcome them. Let's show them, shall we?

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Clicking like because there's no love button. There's several funny comments right there but I'm trying to be serious.

We need to do better one on one and stop listening to CNN and FOX news.

There are those who trivialize race relations with race cards and race baiting. These people are the enemy of decent human beings all over the world.

We need to LISTEN with no judgement - all of us.

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Rez thought I was uncomfortable with talk of racism, nothing could be further from the point. I have learned through wisdom of years not to waste breathe on deaf ears.

Racism is about what is on your heart. No legislation, Rooney rule, bill or amendments will ever get rid of racism. If you have hate in your heart it is there and a law can't remove it.

Love America, there is no other country in the world that 14 % of the population can have such an impact.

To have someone who was a head coach claim racism, kinda has bad optics.

It is impossible to have a "logical" debate when the topic is emotional.

Not going to engage...emotion isn't a solution.

Anyway, back to sports...you poked the bear if you don't want to hear it, don't ask.

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It's not important if you are trying to push a narrative. I think USA has been a country for 245 years or so, the 400 year thing is not history of America as a country it is narrative history. There is no need to continue the discussion, it is an emotional debate not a logical, factual debate.

I appreciate your passion but it isnt a discussion in which a winner can prevail.

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The phrase Commoners is so widely used in Great Britian where Queens, Kings and the Rich rule the land. See a lot of similarities in the US even though we supposedly broke away from the Kings rule. But us Commoners we do have the numbers that's for damn sure.

A commoner, also known as the common man, commoners, the common people or the masses, was in earlier use an ordinary person in a community or nation who did not have any significant social status, especially one who was a member of neither royalty, nobility, nor any part of the aristocrac..Wikki

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If Bienemy interviews well I'm thinking perhaps we should roll the dice on him - irregardless of the race initiative.

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After eight hours with Eric Bieniemy the interview is over.

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Bieniemy may very well be the new frontrunner.

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This is the 5th post in your little thread steal, 3 by you and 2 by me.

Bet that stings huh little man?

:banana:

There's another thread on this topic. Hop on over there and fake your thoughts some more...if you have any of your own, or did that subject get just a little too real and thus over your head?

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The never owned a slave talking point goes hand in hand about the being "oppressed" talking point , every skin color has had it done to them throughout history dating back 9000 years ago.And to keep selling it over and over and over your probably right " it truly is no hope for the future of America" or many countries for that matter.

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I have a great idea, lets hire the best candidate we interviewed

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Would that be the best candidate overall or the best candidate for Sainst' particular situation?

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Let's spit this hair yet again!! Which qualities make up "BEST" and who DEFINES "BEST"?

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Why another "Head Coach Thread" when a 32 page one already exists?