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AsylumGuido 02-07-2022 08:02 AM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 944094)
Would that be the best candidate overall or the best candidate for Sainst' particular situation?
Yes. :D

subguy 02-07-2022 08:04 AM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
Whomever the Organization thinks will deliver results, regardless of external factors.

rezburna 02-07-2022 08:39 AM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 944024)
The Egyptian empire enslaved the hebrews way before America came along. Barbary coast pirates of North Africa raided European settlements for white slaves in the 1500s. Black slavers captured Black slaves who were sold to Black slave owners here in the colonies. This is not to say racism was/is not
a part of North America’s history. It obviously is. However, Evidence exists that America did not invent slavery or racism. Dumping that baggage on any group today and saying they are responsible is unfair.
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Originally Posted by subguy (Post 944038)
Rez thought I was uncomfortable with talk of racism, nothing could be further from the point. I have learned through wisdom of years not to waste breathe on deaf ears.

Racism is about what is on your heart. No legislation, Rooney rule, bill or amendments will ever get rid of racism. If you have hate in your heart it is there and a law can't remove it.

Love America, there is no other country in the world that 14 % of the population can have such an impact.

To have someone who was a head coach claim racism, kinda has bad optics.

It is impossible to have a "logical" debate when the topic is emotional.

Not going to engage...emotion isn't a solution.

Anyway, back to sports...you poked the bear if you don't want to hear it, don't ask.
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 944063)
The never owned a slave talking point goes hand in hand about the being "oppressed" talking point , every skin color has had it done to them throughout history dating back 9000 years ago.And to keep selling it over and over and over your probably right " it truly is no hope for the future of America" or many countries for that matter.
I respectfully disagree with the positions each of you has taken on the discussion, but your perspective is your perspective and I’m not here to try and change that. They’ve always said we live in two different Americas and the fact we can live in the same country and view it so differently and have such disproportionately different outcomes in mass is a testament to that notion. I bow out of the conversation on the premise that there is not enough common ground to be found for us to come to an agreement. Again, respectfully.

rezburna 02-07-2022 08:42 AM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
My wishlist is:

1. Eric Bienemy
2. Byron Leftwich
3. Dennis Allen
4. Brian Flores

WW_Who_Dat 02-07-2022 09:08 AM
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At this point Dennis Allen and retaining much of the staff together is the best option going forward. Both Allen and Carmichael have coached and called the offense and defensive plays and been key in building the current system team structure and unity, which are not an issue. Not to imply that any of the candidates brought in, black white or any color or not worthy, but they would bring with with them a entirely new system and team of coaches. Unless the organization stipulates that certain coaches and system remain in place and why would any strong coaching candidate agree to that.

This team is neither disorganized or dysfunction and needs to start from square one. None of that hold true for the Saints. Some challenges ahead for the staff but with challenges lie opportunity.

AsylumGuido 02-07-2022 09:12 AM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
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Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat (Post 944115)
At this point Dennis Allen and retaining much of the staff together is the best option going forward. Both Allen and Carmichael have coached and called the offense and defensive plays and been key in building the current system team structure and unity, which are not an issue. Not to imply that any of the candidates brought in, black white or any color or not worthy, but they would bring with with them a entirely new system and team of coaches. Unless the organization stipulates that certain coaches and system remain in place and why would any strong coaching candidate agree to that.

This team is neither disorganized or dysfunction and needs to start from square one. None of that hold true for the Saints. Some challenges ahead for the staff but with challenges lie opportunity.
Agreed. Loomis put it best when he said that the Saints are in a totally different position while searching for their next head coach than the other eight teams. Their head coaches were all fired. The Saints lost theirs through retirement.

AsylumGuido 02-07-2022 09:14 AM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 944110)
My wishlist is:

1. Eric Bienemy
2. Byron Leftwich
3. Dennis Allen
4. Brian Flores
It's now been four days since the Saints requested an interview with Leftwich. I still have seen any word of one being scheduled.

rezburna 02-07-2022 09:20 AM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 944117)
It's now been four days since the Saints requested an interview with Leftwich. I still have seen any word of one being scheduled.
Facts. I’m curious to see what the hold up is. I want them to go ahead and make a decision. I heard the Bienemy interview lasted for 8 hours. I don’t know if that’s a good or a bad thing.

AsylumGuido 02-07-2022 09:24 AM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 944120)
Facts. I’m curious to see what the hold up is. I want them to go ahead and make a decision. I heard the Bienemy interview lasted for 8 hours. I don’t know if that’s a good or a bad thing.
Actually they requested the Leftwich interview over a week ago from what I'm seeing now. They were granted the interview four days ago. Maybe they were waiting to talk with Bieniemy first.

Boston Saint 02-07-2022 09:45 AM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 944108)
I respectfully disagree with the positions each of you has taken on the discussion, but your perspective is your perspective and I’m not here to try and change that. They’ve always said we live in two different Americas and the fact we can live in the same country and view it so differently and have such disproportionately different outcomes in mass is a testament to that notion. I bow out of the conversation on the premise that there is not enough common ground to be found for us to come to an agreement. Again, respectfully.
Respect rez. It’s gone as far as it can here. You did give me things to consider. Hope I did the same.

turbo_dog 02-07-2022 10:04 AM
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Who do you think makes the final decision on the hire? Loomis alone? Loomis and Mrs. Benson?

Boston Saint 02-07-2022 10:09 AM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 944133)
Who do you think makes the final decision on the hire? Loomis alone? Loomis and Mrs. Benson?
Final? Mrs B is my guess. Jeff Ireland, she and Micky all talk,
but she makes the call I guess.

AsylumGuido 02-07-2022 10:12 AM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
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Originally Posted by turbo_dog (Post 944133)
Who do you think makes the final decision on the hire? Loomis alone? Loomis and Mrs. Benson?
I'd say the only three with the real decision making would be Loomis, Lauscha, and Benson. The owner has to have the final say, however.

saintsfan1976 02-07-2022 11:54 AM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 944108)
I respectfully disagree with the positions each of you has taken on the discussion, but your perspective is your perspective and I’m not here to try and change that. They’ve always said we live in two different Americas and the fact we can live in the same country and view it so differently and have such disproportionately different outcomes in mass is a testament to that notion. I bow out of the conversation on the premise that there is not enough common ground to be found for us to come to an agreement. Again, respectfully.
I'm down with this. But let's not forget our differing perspectives ARE what make this a great place to live. We may not agree on everything but we can learn from each other!

Rell&Gold 02-07-2022 12:28 PM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 943664)
That’s kind of the point though. I remember when there were no black QBs. That is not the case now and being black won’t hold a QB back at all now if he can play. That happened naturally through acceptance, not because the league tried to force black QBs onto teams through rules the way they are doing now and have been since the Rooney rule. In this case the coach is complaining because a team asked him in to meet a requirement. It sounds like he was fired in Miami for not tanking games rather than his race. Why would he have been hired in Miami at all if the organization is racist?
The league hasn't accepted the fact that Black Coaches can coach? or they haven't accepted the fact like just like the sport Coaching would be majority persons of color if/once "It's Accepted" THATS RACISM in a nutshell. We know they can but can't accept what comes with that "A MAJORITY BLACK NFL PLAYERS AND COACHES"

Boston Saint 02-07-2022 12:45 PM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 944156)
The league hasn't accepted the fact that Black Coaches can coach? or they haven't accepted the fact like just like the sport Coaching would be majority persons of color if/once "It's Accepted" THATS RACISM in a nutshell. We know they can but can't accept what comes with that "A MAJORITY BLACK NFL PLAYERS AND COACHES"
Sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying.

rezburna 02-07-2022 01:57 PM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 944163)
Sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying.
He’s saying the league is afraid that if they accept the fact that Black coaches are equally yoked to be head coaches and are provided the opportunity without any bias whatsoever the coaching numbers would become just as lopsided as the player make up. He’s basically saying the majority of coaches would be Black and the NFL isn’t willing to let that happen, which he says is racism in a nutshell. “We will make concessions to your community but we will never truly empower your community in such a manner that threatens the status quo.”

Hope that helps.

jnormand 02-07-2022 02:16 PM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
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Originally Posted by Boston Saint (Post 944163)
Sorry, I don’t understand what you are saying.
He's saying that the league is racist and they don't want black coaches because most of the coaches would be black and the league doesn't want that.

Or something....

halloween 65 02-07-2022 02:18 PM
Re: Head Coach Search
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 944108)
I respectfully disagree with the positions each of you has taken on the discussion, but your perspective is your perspective and I’m not here to try and change that. They’ve always said we live in two different Americas and the fact we can live in the same country and view it so differently and have such disproportionately different outcomes in mass is a testament to that notion. I bow out of the conversation on the premise that there is not enough common ground to be found for us to come to an agreement. Again, respectfully.
It's all good Rez.


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