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Whoever gets the nod for the job they might want to get their ducks in a row soon.
It's going to be a tough job to get the team sorted out and get down to business.

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Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 943849)

I don't find that very strange. Being a HC doesn't give you as much time being a pure football coach, it comes with a heck of administration and other management stuff. Thats usually why a lot of people struggle when they get promoted, both in football and in business. They are good at their craft but not all the other hoopla, that's a skill in itself.

The Peter Principle: In a hierarchal structure an individual will rise to their level of incompetence. Carmichael may have the insight to understand this principle. That insight probably came through a combination of watching Payton over the years and the few HC interviews he had experienced in the past.

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Originally Posted by RailBoss (Post 943862)

Whoever gets the nod for the job they might want to get their ducks in a row soon.
It's going to be a tough job to get the team sorted out and get down to business.

If it's an inhouse hire those ducks will have been getting into formation over the past month. I know they had a full presence at the Senior bowl this past week with the front office, coaching staff, and scouting department all there en masse.

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 943885)

No ****. lol

Thank you Mr Helper...

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 943725)

It’s distilling down to race because Black coaches are saying they want to be head coaches. Black executives are saying they want to be GM’s and Presidents. Black billionaires, the VERY short list of them that exist in this country, are saying they want ownership of teams. The NBA at least has multiple Black coaches and GM’s. I know Jordan owns the Hornets. Again, it’s being distilled down to race because Black people are saying, “Hey, help us out. We want these positions too. We can do more than just the manual labor on the field.” The response should be let’s figure out a way to help these brothers out, not looking for any way to shift the conversation off race and delegitimize the argument in its entirety. Now where I definitely agree is this: these owners can do what they want. If they want their coaching staff to be all White that’s cool. They should be able to do that, and the players have to grow balls and take a stand and say they won’t play for organizations that don’t prioritize putting the demographic that makes the NFL run in positions of power.

False equivalency Rez.

A Billionaire gaining ownership, I don't care what color they are, isn't "helping us out"...

I don't see how you can trivialize the multi-million dollar contracts and endorsements that follow as simply labor on the field.

The response in recent years has in fact done more to elevate people of color into the positions they're qualified for than ever before. The path is there. The makeup is changing. But I get the feeling it's not enough or not happening quickly enough. So what IS the desired outcome?

It's not delegitimizing the argument it's trying to remove the surface level argument of race permeating every facet of our views.

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 943894)

It is “helping us out” because they aren’t asking the fans for the help. They’re asking the billionaire owners and the millionaire executives and coaches. Millionaire money is definitely trivial to a multi billionaire, hence the fact the billionaires can afford to pay them these salaries.

There’s one Black head coach in the NFL fam. To say that the make up is changing is to assume progress is linear and regression doesn’t exist. We’ve already seen the regression because Tomlin stands alone. If not for him being on the team that created the Rooney Rule he probably would have been fired years ago too.

And let’s just be honest, Black people didn’t create the socioeconomic construct of race. The fact that it does permeate every facet of society isn’t a decision that we made. We were born into this situation and we see this in all facets. I’m writing my dissertation on the lack of African American representation in the c-suite of healthcare facilities. 91% of all hospital CEO’s are White men. We can find this pattern almost everywhere my brotha. When is it okay to call a spade a spade? All these brothas are doing is reporting their lived experiences and the data and historical context of our relationship in America supports it all.

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And now back to sports.....threads like this are the reason I only have 1645 posts since 2002.

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Last interview today (Eric Bieniemy). We should have a new head coach tomorrow. It’ll be Dennis Allen of course.

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 943978)

Last interview today (Eric Bieniemy). We should have a new head coach tomorrow. It’ll be Dennis Allen of course.

Probably the best option for this moment. If he doesn't work out, at least we had soem consistency in a rather chaotic franchise. We all know what a carousel the NFL coaching jobs are, Payton,Tomlin and Belichick having long runs but they are the exception as opposed to the rule because of their long run of winning seasons.