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TheKillerBs 03-15-2022 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 947234)
Now the niners have put their name in it now too. Watch we miss out on him and Jameis

That would be a doomsday scenario right now. Might as well start Taysom Hill and draft a QB of the future.

SaintGnome 03-15-2022 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 947234)
Now the niners have put their name in it now too. Watch we miss out on him and Jameis

Where did you see that? Google failed to find that for me.

Lord_Saint83 03-15-2022 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintGnome (Post 947236)
Where did you see that? Google failed to find that for me.


Jordan Shultz reported it but ten minutes later Matt Maiocco and Albert Breer said they aren’t. So idk. I guess people throwing stuff at the wall seeing if it sticks.

lee909 03-15-2022 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheKillerBs (Post 947235)
That would be a doomsday scenario right now. Might as well start Taysom Hill and draft a QB of the future.

They should do something like that anyway.
Go get a Foles/Minshew in a trade, if you like one of the rookies take them.

No point in spending e0ml plus a year on a QB that costs you 3 qsts and stops you improving the roster. Lots of holes to fill on the roster and even more coming in the next few years with aging vets who they will be paying after they decline because they keep having to restructure for cap reasons.

AsylumGuido 03-15-2022 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 947237)
Jordan Shultz reported it but ten minutes later Matt Maiocco and Albert Breer said they aren’t. So idk. I guess people throwing stuff at the wall seeing if it sticks.

That happens quite often at this time of the league year. LOL!

stickman 03-15-2022 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 947234)
Now the niners have put their name in it now too. Watch we miss out on him and Jameis

Was going to make a joke about Kaepernick being available but, not sure how that would go over.

AsylumGuido 03-15-2022 01:19 PM

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Lord_Saint83 03-15-2022 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 947244)
Was going to make a joke about Kaepernick being available but, not sure how that would go over.



Lol. If it’s funny go ahead

stickman 03-15-2022 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 947259)
Lol. If it’s funny go ahead

The moment passed.

AsylumGuido 03-15-2022 01:29 PM

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They speculate that since there's no news on Terron Armstead that they may all be waiting on how the Watson decision develops. Armstead could want Watson as much as Watson may be wanting Armstead.


AsylumGuido 03-15-2022 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 947260)
The moment passed.

More than Kaepernick in the NFL recently.

saintfan 03-15-2022 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 947241)
That happens quite often at this time of the league year. LOL!

And you post every single :censored: one of their tweets... :rolleyes:

TheKillerBs 03-15-2022 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 947244)
Was going to make a joke about Kaepernick being available but, not sure how that would go over.

I don't dislike Kaep at all, but I don't feel like he's any better than Taysom, at this point.

AsylumGuido 03-15-2022 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by TheKillerBs (Post 947265)
I don't dislike Kaep at all, but I don't feel like he's any better than Taysom, at this point.

Yeah. I'd give the edge to Hill at this point. Kaepernick's numbers over his last two seasons where he went 3-16 were not as good as what Hill has shown in his limited time as a starter.

stickman 03-15-2022 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 947262)
More than Kaepernick in the NFL recently.

Well played sir.

saintfan 03-15-2022 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheKillerBs (Post 947265)
I don't dislike Kaep at all, but I don't feel like he's any better than Taysom, at this point.

They don't even like him out here in the liberal mecca. They saw him for what he was/is. Throwing a tantrum over a starting job, so his radical radio host GF sold him on being an activist. When they turn on an activist out here that's saying something.

AsylumGuido 03-15-2022 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by stickman (Post 947271)
Well played sir.

Thank you. I'll be here all week.

stickman 03-15-2022 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 947273)
Thank you. I'll be here all week.

Ya see, I thought you go with "well played", also more than Kap has done lately.

AsylumGuido 03-15-2022 01:52 PM

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For what it's worth ... it is on topic.


jeanpierre 03-15-2022 02:18 PM

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AsylumGuido 03-15-2022 02:34 PM

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This means Davenport can't be part of any trade deal.


TheOak 03-15-2022 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 947289)
This means Davenport can't be part of any trade deal.

https://twitter.com/john_siglerr/sta...12942948675596

Yes he can. It would just escalate the proration of the 4 void years (Undo the conversion restructure).

TheKillerBs 03-15-2022 02:48 PM

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If Watson goes to ATL, and we don't sign Jameis back, we are in trouble.
I don't really see Carolina as a legit option to land him, but ATL is a real possibility.

TheKillerBs 03-15-2022 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 947294)
Yes he can. It would just escalate the proration of the 4 void years (Undo the conversion restructure).

Trading him wouldn't be impossible, but maybe less probable.

AsylumGuido 03-15-2022 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 947294)
Yes he can. It would just escalate the proration of the 4 void years (Undo the conversion restructure).

And put us back over the cap. That's why any of the players that have gone through a restructure cannot be involved in the trade without the additional cap space to cover that escalation. Maybe one of the minor restructures, but none of the major ones.

jeanpierre 03-15-2022 02:57 PM

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Jason Whitlock has a very interesting take, read on all this...


AsylumGuido 03-15-2022 02:59 PM

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Trading Davenport now would result in a dead money cap hit of $9,601,384. That would increase our current cap number by $6,591,938 putting us back over by basically the same amount that we saved by restructuring him in the first place.

saintfan 03-15-2022 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 947304)
Trading Davenport now would result in a dead money cap hit of $9,601,384. That would increase our current cap number by $6,591,938 putting us back over by basically the same amount that we saved by restructuring him in the first place.

So the cap matters then?

TheOak 03-15-2022 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 947301)
And put us back over the cap. That's why any of the players that have gone through a restructure cannot be involved in the trade without the additional cap space to cover that escalation. Maybe one of the minor restructures, but none of the major ones.

You are thinking linearly and that's not how it works. A bundle including his trade deal would be sent to the league with the end net being under the cap.

saintfan 03-15-2022 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 947301)
And put us back over the cap. That's why any of the players that have gone through a restructure cannot be involved in the trade without the additional cap space to cover that escalation. Maybe one of the minor restructures, but none of the major ones.

Which is exactly what he just said, which you learned on twitter yesterday...

:rolleyes:

AsylumGuido 03-15-2022 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 947307)
You are thinking linearly and that's not how it works. A bundle including his trade deal would be sent to the league with the end net being under the cap.

Show us how that "bundle" could be structured so that the net could be under the cap. Keep in mind, as of 4:00 PM tomorrow the 51 player cap figure must be at or under $208,991,219 and remain at or under that figure.

Yes, if we cut Roby and restructure most of the remaining players eligible we could, I suppose, slip Davenport in as part of a trade, but that would exhaust virtually all remaining cap recovery for further free agency.

TheOak 03-15-2022 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TheKillerBs (Post 947299)
Trading him wouldn't be impossible, but maybe less probable.

Correct but Feauxstradamus said "can't".
I am leery of ruling anything out with this team since the Rickey Williams deal. :):bng:

saintsfan1976 03-15-2022 03:21 PM

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Not a done deal but my insider says Watson is essentially telling Arthur Blank it's his deal to lose.

TheOak 03-15-2022 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 947310)
Show us how that "bundle" could be structured so that the net could be under the cap. Keep in mind, as of 4:00 PM tomorrow the 51 player cap figure must be at or under $208,991,219 and remain at or under that figure.

Yes, if we cut Roby and restructure most of the remaining players eligible we could, I suppose, slip Davenport in as part of a trade, but that would exhaust virtually all remaining cap recovery for further free agency.

I do not have to show you anything, eventually you will even argue with yourself and prove me right.... which you did in the same reply.

AsylumGuido 03-15-2022 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 947311)
Correct but Feauxstradamus said "can't".
I am leery of ruling anything out with this team since the Rickey Williams deal. :):bng:

Don't forget, we also need to make some moves to be able to fit Watson under the cap constraints. Including any player that has been restructured as part of the trade will make that those moves even that much more grueling, and yes, even impossible at some point.

saintfan 03-15-2022 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 947315)
Don't forget, we also need to make some moves to be able to fit Watson under the cap constraints. Including any player that has been restructured as part of the trade will make that those moves even that much more grueling, and yes, even impossible at some point.

Because the cap doesn't matter tho, rite? :rolleyes:

AsylumGuido 03-15-2022 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 947314)
I do not have to show you anything, eventually you will even argue with yourself and prove me right.... which you did in the same reply.

Nope. You don't have to show me anything. ;)

jnormand 03-15-2022 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 947302)
Jason Whitlock has a very interesting take, read on all this...

https://twitter.com/theblaze/status/1503817348662366208

I agree completely. Watson will get a pass by media and fans. Its depressing.

I really wish we could build through the draft or something.

saintfan 03-15-2022 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 947319)
Nope. You don't have to show me anything. ;)

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Originally Posted by AsylumSpeedo
Show us how that "bundle" could be structured so that the net could be under the cap.

Nobody has to show you a damn thing. I see you still haven't learned. NPD rarely does.

4everSaint 03-15-2022 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 947313)
Not a done deal but my insider says Watson is essentially telling Arthur Blank it's his deal to lose.

Dangit! Really???

I'm literally refreshing "Deshaun Watson" in my open search tab every 20-30 mins. I'm on pins and needles.


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