Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings

BakoSaint · 10-04-2022, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by hitta

This is life without Sean. People were *****ing about Sean about 5 years ago and were like we needed a reset. Well, this is what that looks like. Sean may have been the best coach in the league. I think Drew and him made the roster look better than it actually was. The D in the last few years has finally come around. It's a shame we couldn't get Brees a defense when he was in his better years. Brady always had a D to fall back on. If you gave Brees a D, he'd won multiple championships and people would be debating on whether he was the best of all time.

This presumes Dennis Allen is the average replacement head coach. But Dennis Allen came to the Saints with an 8-28 career head coaching record which is well below .500 or average. I think that when Payton went 7-9 for 3 years it was fair to question whether he had lost his edge. That he improved was a pleasant surprise. But I don’t think its fair to make this a cautionary tale about asking for change. Nobody was asking to replace Payton with 8-28 Dennis Allen any more than anyone now who wants a new QB is saying lets sign Jacoby Brissett and make him our franchise QB this offseason.

Personally my opinion is that Sean is a great coach and a horrible GM and that he became our defacto GM with an accountant yes man at his side. We won’t know unless he goes elsewhere but honestly I think he will instantly improve a team with coaching but then gradually erode them if given GM powers. He can find diamonds in the rough in mid rounds yet if they are not available he is impatient and takes players who would not be drafted, falls in love with bad talent, cant evaluate any QB except Brees, and wastes time on projects. When a formula works to find great olinemen in mid rounds he stops the formula, trades away the mid round picks, and takes overrated linemen in early rounds or useless linemen in late rounds. He also gets in fueds and dumps useful players inexplicably then stubbornly insists there is no need at the position because that justifies getting rid of the player and not relacing them without admitting the conflict hurt. With a good gm in absolute control sean would be a good coach. Just like his coordinators are not head coach material though, he is not gm material.

10-04-2022, 04:10 PM	#10
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,390	Re: Observations from the Saints' close loss to the Vikings Originally Posted by hitta This is life without Sean. People were *****ing about Sean about 5 years ago and were like we needed a reset. Well, this is what that looks like. Sean may have been the best coach in the league. I think Drew and him made the roster look better than it actually was. The D in the last few years has finally come around. It's a shame we couldn't get Brees a defense when he was in his better years. Brady always had a D to fall back on. If you gave Brees a D, he'd won multiple championships and people would be debating on whether he was the best of all time. This presumes Dennis Allen is the average replacement head coach. But Dennis Allen came to the Saints with an 8-28 career head coaching record which is well below .500 or average. I think that when Payton went 7-9 for 3 years it was fair to question whether he had lost his edge. That he improved was a pleasant surprise. But I don’t think its fair to make this a cautionary tale about asking for change. Nobody was asking to replace Payton with 8-28 Dennis Allen any more than anyone now who wants a new QB is saying lets sign Jacoby Brissett and make him our franchise QB this offseason. Personally my opinion is that Sean is a great coach and a horrible GM and that he became our defacto GM with an accountant yes man at his side. We won’t know unless he goes elsewhere but honestly I think he will instantly improve a team with coaching but then gradually erode them if given GM powers. He can find diamonds in the rough in mid rounds yet if they are not available he is impatient and takes players who would not be drafted, falls in love with bad talent, cant evaluate any QB except Brees, and wastes time on projects. When a formula works to find great olinemen in mid rounds he stops the formula, trades away the mid round picks, and takes overrated linemen in early rounds or useless linemen in late rounds. He also gets in fueds and dumps useful players inexplicably then stubbornly insists there is no need at the position because that justifies getting rid of the player and not relacing them without admitting the conflict hurt. With a good gm in absolute control sean would be a good coach. Just like his coordinators are not head coach material though, he is not gm material.
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