Week Eight QB Debate

Boston Saint · 11-04-2022, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

There are three grades of turf toe injury. Grade one has a short 2-3 week turnaround. Grade two is 4-6 weeks. Neither of these require surgery. Grade three requires surgery and is the one that can end a season unless is occurs early. The latter is what Penning had and he's supposed getting close to being able to begin practice.

If Thomas had anything more severe than grade two he would have been placed on IR. I'd be shocked if he doesn't return within the next couple of weeks.

I guess Guido is shocked right now !

AsylumGuido · 11-05-2022, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I guess Guido is shocked right now !

Nope. Not shocked at all. Should I be?

WW_Who_Dat · 10-27-2022, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

No one outside of the facility knows the real severity of his injury but turf toe can sideline most athletes for MONTHS if not the season.

A good friend of ours (played at Georgia & later with the Giants) was telling us some horror stories about his TT. So many ligaments involved, so many moving parts, then boom it rears it's ugly head again.

I'd be shocked to see Michael on the field anytime soon in 2022.

How about a heavy dose of Rashid as the #2 K.

K Major · 10-27-2022, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

How about a heavy dose of Rashid as the #2 K.

FACTS. Tell me this Who Dat ... on two touches, Rashid has 2 TDs & averages over 40 yards per catch. Any reason why we aren't getting playmakers more involved?

Same goes for Taysom Hill. I just don't understand why Pete is not playing these guys more in 2nd half of games.

Utilize them like Patterson & Debo. Shaheed could be the truth but we won't know unless he gets more targets.

The offensive game plan needs to change & become more creative.

INSANITY

But I digress ...

Crusader · 10-27-2022, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

FACTS. Tell me this Who Dat ... on two touches, Rashid has 2 TDs & averages over 40 yards per catch. Any reason why we aren't getting playmakers more involved?

I believe that he has just no wshown that skill and explosiveness on the field during games but might still be limited in playbook knowledge, routs he can run etc.
With that said in the coming weeks I would expect the coaches to put him in packages for 15-20 plays per game where he has a great chance to contribute with that big play ability.

mapcow · 10-28-2022, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

No one outside of the facility knows the real severity of his injury but turf toe can sideline most athletes for MONTHS if not the season.

A good friend of ours (played at Georgia & later with the Giants) was telling us some horror stories about his TT. So many ligaments involved, so many moving parts, then boom it rears it's ugly head again.

I'd be shocked to see Michael on the field anytime soon in 2022.

Even more reason to have gotten rid of the prima donna... all he has done so far is take money, and take a viable player/roster position. Great Gig... sit the bench and get rich.

K Major · 10-27-2022, 11:38 AM

Lol, whatever. Could care less what he "thinks" and reports on Twitter. Chris is no doctor, has no crystal ball & has no clue how MT body is responding at walk-throughs or at practice.

Mike will suit up & play when he's healthy.

Period.

AsylumGuido · 10-27-2022, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Lol, whatever. Could care less what he "thinks" and reports on Twitter. Chris is no doctor, has no crystal ball & has no clue how MT body is responding at walk-throughs or at practice.

Mike will suit up & play when he's healthy.

Period.

Exactly. Who is saying anything different?

Boston Saint · 10-27-2022, 12:03 PM

I have really gone back-and-forth about this. I realize I’ve always believed Winston could stand up and do the job. For various reasons, it hasn’t worked out. Maybe he isn’t good enough; Maybe he is and injuries/Coaching/talent around him has held him back.

Dalton is what he is. A decent Flaco/Ryan/Carr type QB who can do most everything you need, but is gonna make mistakes. That’s when healthy.

Hill is awesome when used in the multiple role. I really don’t think he is the guy to “start” at QB. He of the group is least able to go through progressions and be a capable passer. I realize his running makes him dangerous, but he won’t stay healthy taking every snap at QB IMO.

But, to give the best chance to win this next game, I would go with Dalton.

saintsfan1976 · 10-27-2022, 12:28 PM

There was a seven year stretch in New Orleans where Drew Brees AVERAGED 15 interceptions per season.

I think we can stomach a few errant throws from Dalton. As long as they're not of the variety we saw last Thursday.

11-04-2022, 04:12 PM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by AsylumGuido There are three grades of turf toe injury. Grade one has a short 2-3 week turnaround. Grade two is 4-6 weeks. Neither of these require surgery. Grade three requires surgery and is the one that can end a season unless is occurs early. The latter is what Penning had and he's supposed getting close to being able to begin practice. If Thomas had anything more severe than grade two he would have been placed on IR. I'd be shocked if he doesn't return within the next couple of weeks. I guess Guido is shocked right now ! subguy, jnormand and frydaddy like this.

10-27-2022, 11:34 AM	#3
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,280 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by K Major No one outside of the facility knows the real severity of his injury but turf toe can sideline most athletes for MONTHS if not the season. A good friend of ours (played at Georgia & later with the Giants) was telling us some horror stories about his TT. So many ligaments involved, so many moving parts, then boom it rears it's ugly head again. I'd be shocked to see Michael on the field anytime soon in 2022. How about a heavy dose of Rashid as the #2 K. K Major likes this.

10-27-2022, 11:45 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,845 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat How about a heavy dose of Rashid as the #2 K. FACTS. Tell me this Who Dat ... on two touches, Rashid has 2 TDs & averages over 40 yards per catch. Any reason why we aren't getting playmakers more involved? Same goes for Taysom Hill. I just don't understand why Pete is not playing these guys more in 2nd half of games. Utilize them like Patterson & Debo. Shaheed could be the truth but we won't know unless he gets more targets. The offensive game plan needs to change & become more creative. INSANITY But I digress ... iceshack149, Rugby Saint II and shawnkytonk like this.

10-27-2022, 12:07 PM	#5
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,050	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by K Major FACTS. Tell me this Who Dat ... on two touches, Rashid has 2 TDs & averages over 40 yards per catch. Any reason why we aren't getting playmakers more involved? I believe that he has just no wshown that skill and explosiveness on the field during games but might still be limited in playbook knowledge, routs he can run etc. With that said in the coming weeks I would expect the coaches to put him in packages for 15-20 plays per game where he has a great chance to contribute with that big play ability. Rugby Saint II likes this.

10-28-2022, 10:06 AM	#6
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,819	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by K Major No one outside of the facility knows the real severity of his injury but turf toe can sideline most athletes for MONTHS if not the season. A good friend of ours (played at Georgia & later with the Giants) was telling us some horror stories about his TT. So many ligaments involved, so many moving parts, then boom it rears it's ugly head again. I'd be shocked to see Michael on the field anytime soon in 2022. Even more reason to have gotten rid of the prima donna... all he has done so far is take money, and take a viable player/roster position. Great Gig... sit the bench and get rich.
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11-05-2022, 04:22 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by Boston Saint I guess Guido is shocked right now ! Nope. Not shocked at all. Should I be?

10-27-2022, 11:38 AM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,845 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Lol, whatever. Could care less what he "thinks" and reports on Twitter. Chris is no doctor, has no crystal ball & has no clue how MT body is responding at walk-throughs or at practice. Mike will suit up & play when he's healthy. Period. subguy, iceshack149 and Big_L like this.

10-27-2022, 01:54 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,762	Re: Week Eight QB Debate Originally Posted by K Major Lol, whatever. Could care less what he "thinks" and reports on Twitter. Chris is no doctor, has no crystal ball & has no clue how MT body is responding at walk-throughs or at practice. Mike will suit up & play when he's healthy. Period. Exactly. Who is saying anything different?

10-27-2022, 12:03 PM	#9
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Week Eight QB Debate I have really gone back-and-forth about this. I realize I’ve always believed Winston could stand up and do the job. For various reasons, it hasn’t worked out. Maybe he isn’t good enough; Maybe he is and injuries/Coaching/talent around him has held him back. Dalton is what he is. A decent Flaco/Ryan/Carr type QB who can do most everything you need, but is gonna make mistakes. That’s when healthy. Hill is awesome when used in the multiple role. I really don’t think he is the guy to “start” at QB. He of the group is least able to go through progressions and be a capable passer. I realize his running makes him dangerous, but he won’t stay healthy taking every snap at QB IMO. But, to give the best chance to win this next game, I would go with Dalton. saintsfan1976 likes this.
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10-27-2022, 12:28 PM	#10
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,056 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Week Eight QB Debate There was a seven year stretch in New Orleans where Drew Brees AVERAGED 15 interceptions per season. I think we can stomach a few errant throws from Dalton. As long as they're not of the variety we saw last Thursday. AsylumGuido likes this.