cars4dylan

Discipline is a head coach's realm and this team is playing undisciplined, plain and simple.

I don't think you can fault the coach for the health of players but you can sure fault the coach for lack of discipline.

I like having a coach that is cool under pressure.
I don't like a coach that is seemingly feckless, for lack of a better term.
I want to see a coach pissed off that a 15 year O-Coordinator is running plays without the best weapons on the field on critical downs.

I want to see a little fire in the belly, a little "piss & vinegar" after a 3-7 run into a season of mediocrity and of subpar performance by your team.

I just don't feel DA has that and hasn't shown the ability to have that trait either.

All this wanting him gone though doesn't help either as we're several pages deep and I've not seen one coach out there listed who is more deserving of the job. Problem is next year there is no magical wand fix for the QB. It won't be in the draft unless other teams miss on a QB and a diamond in the rough is found in the 2nd or later round. Or if a team pays us a 1st Rd pick for Payton's rights, but that's not likely to happen either.

As with most forum topics it's interesting mental masturbation but in the end we'll wait and see. Call our shots after the fact and gloat or sulk accordingly.

All that stated, if someone posts Urban Meyer would be a good coach you deserve to have posting rights revoked for eternity.

BakoSaint

I don't see how we can compete in 2023 with our salary cap and draft situation so at some level I think it could actually more fitting punishment to force Loomis and Allen to stay one more year under one condition: they have to show what they can do without using up future resources. What that means is no trading 2024 or later picks for extra help in 2023, none whatsoever no exceptions. No maxing out the 2024 or later salary cap for extra help in 2023, our utilization of 2024 and future cap per player under contract for those years must fall in the middle range, say 14th-18th in the league. And also, no extension or restructures for players who did not produce well enough to justify their contracts in 2022, that means is no restructure for Peat, Thomas, Winston, Mathieu, etc, just either cut them or keep them but don't push the money to 2024 or later. Just let Loomis and Allen go for it and show what they can do but without handicapping our teams for the future and making it undesirable to other candidates in 2024 should they fail.

My prediction if we did this is that we would quite possibly be the first 0-17 team, but that would give us the #1 overall pick in 2024 and some salary cap space and make the job attractive for a new coach and GM in 2024. But if they prove me wrong and can win with league average resources, good for them give them both extensions. Other teams are actually winning more than us while actively rebuilding and taking giant cap hits to get out of bad contracts with aging/injured players.

I think this would be funny, but I doubt we would do it. I am totally in favor of getting rid of both Allen and Loomis because I don't think we have the guts to impose these conditions of banning them from mortgaging our futures. But if we did, it would be so awesome. I would love to see them suceed without the welfare of borrowing from out future. I would also love to see them go out with the scarlet letter of 0-17 if they dont. Either way it would be sort of justice and there would be something to be excited about, either playoffs or a top pick, not just an eternity in debt.

K Major

Opinion: Saints shouldn't delay inevitable severance with Dennis Allen

Story here

dizzle88

When all 3 phases of the team, immediately begin to fail when he takes over, I don't know what else can be done.

Obviously the offense was always going to be 50/50.
But for the defense and special teams to regress how badly they have, it's unreal.

rezburna

Great article. He needs to go now. Both him and Carmichael.

papz

My takeaway from that piece…

What the hell do we need Loomis for?

FinSaint

The unfortunate thing is that DA can't go back to being the DC for the Saints. He seemed to excel in that position as SP's general, but who knows if he would've had as much success as the DC with another HC.

I hoped that the Saints would've signed Pederson as their HC and kept DA as the DC if that would've been an option. I know he isn't exactly lighting the world on fire in Jacksonville, but I think he could've brought a spark to the offensive side with the Saints, and he would've had the Lombardi pedigree.

"I'm not bashing people, I'm bashing their opinions because in my opinion their opinion is wrong" - Danno

neugey

Seeing what Ron Rivera is doing amid one of the most dysfunctional front offices in pro sports history, a very cloudy future and dwindling fan support, maybe I should have given more consideration to listing him among Belichick, Tomlin, Carroll, etc.

papz

Not to mention he dealt with a lot of difficult personalities player wise in Carolina as well. The man is a really good coach. He's certainly getting the most out of what he's been dealt.

TheOak

How have some of you correlated youth with health again?


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