Head Coach Material

Boston Saint · 11-10-2022, 06:50 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

Come on. They had a guy start on the O-line on Sunday who was signed off the street on Thursday - even Payton said in an interview that he didn't even know the guy's name.

The injuries and games missed due to the pandemic related stuff were unreal last season, and still they were close to getting into the playoffs - some of the credit for that has to be on coaching/scheming, and especially on SP.

You guys are either missing or avoiding the point I’m trying to make. I wasn’t trying to do an individual comparison of injuries under Payton versus injuries under Allen. Yes, Payton had the Miami game to deal with. That skewed things greatly. But Allen has had close to the same situation and started with a fundamentally less talented team without Marcus Williams, Johnson, Armstead, and Jenkins.

Are you denying that injuries have hit Allen’s team pretty seriously this year? Has he NOT played games without his top QB, Top 3 WRs, Top RBs, Top CBs, and DLs? Seems I remember comments about how long his injury list was not too long ago. It’s tough to coach and win in the NFL when you have a full roster much less a banged up one. Allen has had a mostly banged up one. That is the point I’m making. If you disagree and think injuries and the talent you are able to put on the field don’t matter then fine. I disagree. Having healthy players makes a difference and Allen hasn’t had much of that. Payton would be struggling with this team and it’s injuries the same way he struggled with last year’s team the same way Allen is struggling with it. Could be why he decided to jump ship.

AsylumGuido · 11-10-2022, 08:19 AM

While the debate is interesting, one fact is still missing ... the remainder of the season. Nobody, even the Wizard, knows for sure how the rest of the season will pan out. Until then any comparison of Payton's final season to the first half of Allen's is absolutely apples to oranges.

saintsfan1976 · 11-10-2022, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

While the debate is interesting, one fact is still missing ... the remainder of the season. Nobody, even the Wizard, knows for sure how the rest of the season will pan out. Until then any comparison of Payton's final season to the first half of Allen's is absolutely apples to oranges.

What?!?!?! No "11-6" declaration from The Almighty, The Great, The All-Knowing, Eternal Optimistic, himself???

AsylumGuido · 11-10-2022, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

What?!?!?! No "11-6" declaration from The Almighty, The Great, The All-Knowing, Eternal Optimistic, himself???

LOL! As a matter of fact, as my son and I were leaving the Dome Monday night I told him, "We should still have the division wrapped up at 11-6."

neugey · 11-10-2022, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

LOL! As a matter of fact, as my son and I were leaving the Dome Monday night I told him, "We should still have the division wrapped up at 11-6."

If we go 11-6 and win a playoff game this season I'll personally make a trip to Louisiana and open up a bar tab for Guido and a bunch of you guys because we will have a lot to celebrate.

vpheughan · 11-11-2022, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

You guys are either missing or avoiding the point I’m trying to make. I wasn’t trying to do an individual comparison of injuries under Payton versus injuries under Allen. Yes, Payton had the Miami game to deal with. That skewed things greatly. But Allen has had close to the same situation and started with a fundamentally less talented team without Marcus Williams, Johnson, Armstead, and Jenkins.

Are you denying that injuries have hit Allen’s team pretty seriously this year? Has he NOT played games without his top QB, Top 3 WRs, Top RBs, Top CBs, and DLs? Seems I remember comments about how long his injury list was not too long ago. It’s tough to coach and win in the NFL when you have a full roster much less a banged up one. Allen has had a mostly banged up one. That is the point I’m making. If you disagree and think injuries and the talent you are able to put on the field don’t matter then fine. I disagree. Having healthy players makes a difference and Allen hasn’t had much of that. Payton would be struggling with this team and it’s injuries the same way he struggled with last year’s team the same way Allen is struggling with it. Could be why he decided to jump ship.

Missing or avoiding the point?

My response was to your claim that Payton had a better Oline. I added what I thought were some interesting facts about some of the talent he was missing. Never questioned Allen's ability. Every head coach has some input into his teams "talent" level.
No pun intended but each coach has to play the hand they are dealt. Simple as that.

11-10-2022, 06:50 AM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Head Coach Material Originally Posted by FinSaint Come on. They had a guy start on the O-line on Sunday who was signed off the street on Thursday - even Payton said in an interview that he didn't even know the guy's name. The injuries and games missed due to the pandemic related stuff were unreal last season, and still they were close to getting into the playoffs - some of the credit for that has to be on coaching/scheming, and especially on SP. You guys are either missing or avoiding the point I’m trying to make. I wasn’t trying to do an individual comparison of injuries under Payton versus injuries under Allen. Yes, Payton had the Miami game to deal with. That skewed things greatly. But Allen has had close to the same situation and started with a fundamentally less talented team without Marcus Williams, Johnson, Armstead, and Jenkins. Are you denying that injuries have hit Allen’s team pretty seriously this year? Has he NOT played games without his top QB, Top 3 WRs, Top RBs, Top CBs, and DLs? Seems I remember comments about how long his injury list was not too long ago. It’s tough to coach and win in the NFL when you have a full roster much less a banged up one. Allen has had a mostly banged up one. That is the point I’m making. If you disagree and think injuries and the talent you are able to put on the field don’t matter then fine. I disagree. Having healthy players makes a difference and Allen hasn’t had much of that. Payton would be struggling with this team and it’s injuries the same way he struggled with last year’s team the same way Allen is struggling with it. Could be why he decided to jump ship.
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11-10-2022, 08:19 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,491	Re: Head Coach Material While the debate is interesting, one fact is still missing ... the remainder of the season. Nobody, even the Wizard, knows for sure how the rest of the season will pan out. Until then any comparison of Payton's final season to the first half of Allen's is absolutely apples to oranges.

11-10-2022, 11:45 AM	#3
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,974 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Head Coach Material Originally Posted by AsylumGuido While the debate is interesting, one fact is still missing ... the remainder of the season. Nobody, even the Wizard, knows for sure how the rest of the season will pan out. Until then any comparison of Payton's final season to the first half of Allen's is absolutely apples to oranges. What?!?!?! No "11-6" declaration from The Almighty, The Great, The All-Knowing, Eternal Optimistic, himself???

11-10-2022, 11:56 AM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,491	Re: Head Coach Material Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 What?!?!?! No "11-6" declaration from The Almighty, The Great, The All-Knowing, Eternal Optimistic, himself??? LOL! As a matter of fact, as my son and I were leaving the Dome Monday night I told him, "We should still have the division wrapped up at 11-6." saintsfan1976 likes this.

11-10-2022, 02:22 PM	#5
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,820 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Head Coach Material Originally Posted by AsylumGuido LOL! As a matter of fact, as my son and I were leaving the Dome Monday night I told him, "We should still have the division wrapped up at 11-6." If we go 11-6 and win a playoff game this season I'll personally make a trip to Louisiana and open up a bar tab for Guido and a bunch of you guys because we will have a lot to celebrate. saintsfan1976, AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and 1 others like this.

11-11-2022, 12:21 AM	#6
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,543	Re: Head Coach Material Originally Posted by Boston Saint You guys are either missing or avoiding the point I’m trying to make. I wasn’t trying to do an individual comparison of injuries under Payton versus injuries under Allen. Yes, Payton had the Miami game to deal with. That skewed things greatly. But Allen has had close to the same situation and started with a fundamentally less talented team without Marcus Williams, Johnson, Armstead, and Jenkins. Are you denying that injuries have hit Allen’s team pretty seriously this year? Has he NOT played games without his top QB, Top 3 WRs, Top RBs, Top CBs, and DLs? Seems I remember comments about how long his injury list was not too long ago. It’s tough to coach and win in the NFL when you have a full roster much less a banged up one. Allen has had a mostly banged up one. That is the point I’m making. If you disagree and think injuries and the talent you are able to put on the field don’t matter then fine. I disagree. Having healthy players makes a difference and Allen hasn’t had much of that. Payton would be struggling with this team and it’s injuries the same way he struggled with last year’s team the same way Allen is struggling with it. Could be why he decided to jump ship. Missing or avoiding the point? My response was to your claim that Payton had a better Oline. I added what I thought were some interesting facts about some of the talent he was missing. Never questioned Allen's ability. Every head coach has some input into his teams "talent" level. No pun intended but each coach has to play the hand they are dealt. Simple as that. K Major likes this.
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