Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers

SmashMouth · 11-28-2022, 07:05 PM

AsylumGuido · 11-28-2022, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Again, this isn't Allen's first rodeo as HC. The criticism he's already getting as a 4th year HC is fair, necessary, and appropriate.

His track record (regardless of the circumstances) says he's not a winner and never will be as an HC. The man won ONE (1) back-to-back game in his career as HC. 3 years of evidence say he sucks & can't lead a team.

And for the record, I've never put the entire blame on Allen. Not sure where you got that nonsense from.

Where did I ever say YOU personally put the entire blame on Allen? Not sure where you got that nonsense from.

Sinner · 11-28-2022, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Where did I ever say YOU personally put the entire blame on Allen? Not sure where you got that nonsense from.

NOBODY put the entire blame on Allen. But to say that the Head Coach is not largely responsible for what happens after the opening whistle blows, game after game, would be shortsighted, to say the least.

BakoSaint · 11-28-2022, 08:13 PM

There are 3 possibilities, Allen is: lousy, average, or great as head coach. Overall our team is performing lousy but it can be debated whether that's the fault of Allen, Loomis, or the performance and health of the players Loomis, Allen, and Payton hand picked to be on the team.

The thing is, firing Allen will only be a mistake if Allen is great. If Allen is an average head coach faced with difficult circumstances, firing him won't automatically make things better, but it won't on average make them worse either, it will just be something we tried as part of the process of elimination to solve the problem, cutting loose an average replacement level dude, an AJ Klein or Andy Dalton of head coaches.

Firing Allen would only be a disaster if Allen is actually a great head coach. Now, Allen has a career .250 record taking over previously ~.500 teams in 3 years and has only won back-to-back games once. So I would say that whether he is lousy or average, the evidence strongly suggests that Allen is not great. Therefore, I don't see much risk in getting rid of Allen. Whatever he is, lousy or average, and the record points to lousy, he can't be great and lose that much.

K Major · 11-28-2022, 10:30 PM

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leilung · 11-28-2022, 10:36 PM

Since I was out watching the Commanders game with my Uncle, I missed most of the game.

1) For all of that vaunted offensive firepower, they only scored 13. Were the 49ers that bad on offense, or were our boys playing that well on D?
2) Judging from the comments, we once again were on the back side of the T/O curve. Did we have any RB's available to replace AK after he was obviosly struggling?
3) How did the O line look vs. Bosa and friends? Was AD under pressure or was he just undecisive in getting rid of the ball?
4) What did the DAs D line pressure look like? What about the playcalling from PC?

Thanks for your feedback.

TheOak · 11-29-2022, 07:21 AM

Lutz is at 73% which is a career low by 10% and Dennis Allen is in so far over his head there is no one getting looked at.

AsylumGuido · 11-29-2022, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Since I was out watching the Commanders game with my Uncle, I missed most of the game.

1) For all of that vaunted offensive firepower, they only scored 13. Were the 49ers that bad on offense, or were our boys playing that well on D?
2) Judging from the comments, we once again were on the back side of the T/O curve. Did we have any RB's available to replace AK after he was obviosly struggling?
3) How did the O line look vs. Bosa and friends? Was AD under pressure or was he just undecisive in getting rid of the ball?
4) What did the DAs D line pressure look like? What about the playcalling from PC?

Thanks for your feedback.

1) The defense was playing great. The 49er's offense put up its lowest yardage total of the entire season.

2) I wouldn't say Kamara was struggling, per se. Search out the two fumbles. Both came on plays where the 49er's defense held him up on a tackle while subsequent players either punched the ball out or laid their helmet right on the ball. They were both perfectly executed defensive plays.

3) I don't think the offensive line looked that bad, but once again penalties hurt. We had two opportunities of 1st and goal inside their five yard line and came away with zero points.

4) The playcalling by Carmichael on those previous plays was horrible as far as I'm concerned. As for DA's side, the defensive pressure was good and helped keep some of those weapons from making big plays.

AsylumGuido · 11-29-2022, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Lutz is at 73% which is a career low by 10% and Dennis Allen is in so far over his head there is no one getting looked at.

At his point do you feel it would be worth the $2 million plus dead cap hit to replace him with the leftover kickers still available for the rest of the season? Is there any guarantee they would be as good?

As for someone getting looked at, I believe several of the kickers they had in during the offseason are still available. They are on speed dial.

AsylumGuido · 11-29-2022, 09:49 AM

I believe we may be in better shape at LB moving forward than some had surmised. Kaden Ellis balled out again leading the team by a huge margin in tackles with 14, 12 of which were solo. Zack Baun's name was mentioned several times with four solo tackles, one being for a loss, and one hit on the QB.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by K Major Again, this isn't Allen's first rodeo as HC. The criticism he's already getting as a 4th year HC is fair, necessary, and appropriate. His track record (regardless of the circumstances) says he's not a winner and never will be as an HC. The man won ONE (1) back-to-back game in his career as HC. 3 years of evidence say he sucks & can't lead a team. And for the record, I've never put the entire blame on Allen. Not sure where you got that nonsense from. Where did I ever say YOU personally put the entire blame on Allen? Not sure where you got that nonsense from.

11-28-2022, 07:16 PM	#73
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 3,875	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Where did I ever say YOU personally put the entire blame on Allen? Not sure where you got that nonsense from. NOBODY put the entire blame on Allen. But to say that the Head Coach is not largely responsible for what happens after the opening whistle blows, game after game, would be shortsighted, to say the least. K Major likes this.
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11-28-2022, 08:13 PM	#74
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,135	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers There are 3 possibilities, Allen is: lousy, average, or great as head coach. Overall our team is performing lousy but it can be debated whether that's the fault of Allen, Loomis, or the performance and health of the players Loomis, Allen, and Payton hand picked to be on the team. The thing is, firing Allen will only be a mistake if Allen is great. If Allen is an average head coach faced with difficult circumstances, firing him won't automatically make things better, but it won't on average make them worse either, it will just be something we tried as part of the process of elimination to solve the problem, cutting loose an average replacement level dude, an AJ Klein or Andy Dalton of head coaches. Firing Allen would only be a disaster if Allen is actually a great head coach. Now, Allen has a career .250 record taking over previously ~.500 teams in 3 years and has only won back-to-back games once. So I would say that whether he is lousy or average, the evidence strongly suggests that Allen is not great. Therefore, I don't see much risk in getting rid of Allen. Whatever he is, lousy or average, and the record points to lousy, he can't be great and lose that much. Sinner likes this.
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11-29-2022, 07:21 AM	#77
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Lutz is at 73% which is a career low by 10% and Dennis Allen is in so far over his head there is no one getting looked at. saintsfan1976, SmashMouth, Rueben Mayes and 1 others like this.

11-29-2022, 09:14 AM	#78
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by leilung Since I was out watching the Commanders game with my Uncle, I missed most of the game. 1) For all of that vaunted offensive firepower, they only scored 13. Were the 49ers that bad on offense, or were our boys playing that well on D? 2) Judging from the comments, we once again were on the back side of the T/O curve. Did we have any RB's available to replace AK after he was obviosly struggling? 3) How did the O line look vs. Bosa and friends? Was AD under pressure or was he just undecisive in getting rid of the ball? 4) What did the DAs D line pressure look like? What about the playcalling from PC? Thanks for your feedback. 1) The defense was playing great. The 49er's offense put up its lowest yardage total of the entire season. 2) I wouldn't say Kamara was struggling, per se. Search out the two fumbles. Both came on plays where the 49er's defense held him up on a tackle while subsequent players either punched the ball out or laid their helmet right on the ball. They were both perfectly executed defensive plays. 3) I don't think the offensive line looked that bad, but once again penalties hurt. We had two opportunities of 1st and goal inside their five yard line and came away with zero points. 4) The playcalling by Carmichael on those previous plays was horrible as far as I'm concerned. As for DA's side, the defensive pressure was good and helped keep some of those weapons from making big plays.
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11-29-2022, 09:33 AM	#79
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by TheOak Lutz is at 73% which is a career low by 10% and Dennis Allen is in so far over his head there is no one getting looked at. At his point do you feel it would be worth the $2 million plus dead cap hit to replace him with the leftover kickers still available for the rest of the season? Is there any guarantee they would be as good? As for someone getting looked at, I believe several of the kickers they had in during the offseason are still available. They are on speed dial.

11-29-2022, 09:49 AM	#80
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers I believe we may be in better shape at LB moving forward than some had surmised. Kaden Ellis balled out again leading the team by a huge margin in tackles with 14, 12 of which were solo. Zack Baun's name was mentioned several times with four solo tackles, one being for a loss, and one hit on the QB.