Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers

SmashMouth · 11-28-2022, 11:37 AM

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Boston Saint · 11-28-2022, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://twitter.com/BootKreweMedia/s...92127032242176

IMO It’s a friggin joke how people just blow off the refs and their bias as just part of the game that teams need to overcome. They are more often than not a primary reason for a teams success or failure for any given game.

K Major · 11-28-2022, 01:05 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

https://twitter.com/BootKreweMedia/s...92127032242176

Yeah but it's the Saints. We won't get those calls

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If there is any criticism I have on our great young talent Olave is securing that ball all the way through. This isn't the first time he's had a catch that was over turned by the zebras. Leave no doubt.

IMO this is a teachable moment for our WR coach

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K Major · 11-28-2022, 12:42 PM

I see a report (Jeff Duncan) that Alvin Kamara didn't speak to media following the game, per advice from his "legal counsel". I find that a bit odd.

Not sure why he wouldn't take a few minutes to answer questions.

As I stated in the game day chat, his body language was bad most of the game.

Boston Saint · 11-28-2022, 01:19 PM

The main/only things from this loss that I would pin on Allen are not going for it on 4th and short earlier in the game and not trying more quick throws/slants.

Otherwise they were going against a good Niners D on the road. his best player in Kamara let him down with fumbles. His kicker let him down. The refs let him down with poor calls, The tipped balls went the niners way.

This is not an excuse. This is not a vote of confidence in Allen. This is my evaluation of his performance. I don’t know what Payton would have done differently to overcome those fumbles, missed kicks, and calls.

Sinner · 11-28-2022, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

The main/only things from this loss that I would pin on Allen are not going for it on 4th and short earlier in the game and not trying more quick throws/slants.

Otherwise they were going against a good Niners D on the road. his best player in Kamara let him down with fumbles. His kicker let him down. The refs let him down with poor calls, The tipped balls went the niners way.

This is not an excuse. This is not a vote of confidence in Allen. This is my evaluation of his performance. I don’t know what Payton would have done differently to overcome those fumbles, missed kicks, and calls.

Perhaps Payton would have COACHED differently?

AsylumGuido · 11-28-2022, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Perhaps Payton would have COACHED differently?

In what way? The only thing Allen had control over during the game was defensive playcalling. The defense actually did a tremendous job. All the offensive playcalling was on Carmichael.

Sinner · 11-28-2022, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

In what way? The only thing Allen had control over during the game was defensive playcalling. The defense actually did a tremendous job. All the offensive playcalling was on Carmichael.

So the Head Coach doesn't pay any attention or have anything to do with what we just saw on Sunday? Times have changed.

AsylumGuido · 11-28-2022, 04:24 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

So the Head Coach doesn't pay any attention or have anything to do with what we just saw on Sunday? Times have changed.

Nope. Not saying that at all. In game decisions such as going for it or not on 4th down or game clock management is mostly on the head coach, of course. But if coaching was to blame for mistakes made by the players it is more on the shoulders of the positional coaches and that comes on what they do during the week. But, once the game kicks off everything else other than playcalling falls on the players themselves. The head coach isn't fumbling the ball, missing tackles, or taking a pass off their facemask.

Boston Saint · 11-28-2022, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

Perhaps Payton would have COACHED differently?

Perhaps. I might be wrong. I can’t see that coaching would have stopped the missed FG, The bad calls, and Kamara’s fumbles. That was my point. PleSe tell me What could Payton have done to prevent THOSE SPECIFIC THINGS.

11-28-2022, 11:37 AM	#1
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Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://twitter.com/BootKreweMedia/s...92127032242176 IMO It’s a friggin joke how people just blow off the refs and their bias as just part of the game that teams need to overcome. They are more often than not a primary reason for a teams success or failure for any given game. SmashMouth and Pete like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by SmashMouth https://twitter.com/BootKreweMedia/s...92127032242176 Yeah but it's the Saints. We won't get those calls . If there is any criticism I have on our great young talent Olave is securing that ball all the way through. This isn't the first time he's had a catch that was over turned by the zebras. Leave no doubt. IMO this is a teachable moment for our WR coach . Sinner, Rueben Mayes and Boston Saint like this.

11-28-2022, 12:42 PM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers I see a report (Jeff Duncan) that Alvin Kamara didn't speak to media following the game, per advice from his "legal counsel". I find that a bit odd. Not sure why he wouldn't take a few minutes to answer questions. As I stated in the game day chat, his body language was bad most of the game. Sinner likes this.

11-28-2022, 01:19 PM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers The main/only things from this loss that I would pin on Allen are not going for it on 4th and short earlier in the game and not trying more quick throws/slants. Otherwise they were going against a good Niners D on the road. his best player in Kamara let him down with fumbles. His kicker let him down. The refs let him down with poor calls, The tipped balls went the niners way. This is not an excuse. This is not a vote of confidence in Allen. This is my evaluation of his performance. I don’t know what Payton would have done differently to overcome those fumbles, missed kicks, and calls.
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11-28-2022, 01:52 PM	#6
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Boston Saint The main/only things from this loss that I would pin on Allen are not going for it on 4th and short earlier in the game and not trying more quick throws/slants. Otherwise they were going against a good Niners D on the road. his best player in Kamara let him down with fumbles. His kicker let him down. The refs let him down with poor calls, The tipped balls went the niners way. This is not an excuse. This is not a vote of confidence in Allen. This is my evaluation of his performance. I don’t know what Payton would have done differently to overcome those fumbles, missed kicks, and calls. Perhaps Payton would have COACHED differently? Rueben Mayes and K Major like this.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Sinner Perhaps Payton would have COACHED differently? In what way? The only thing Allen had control over during the game was defensive playcalling. The defense actually did a tremendous job. All the offensive playcalling was on Carmichael.

11-28-2022, 02:29 PM	#8
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,068	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido In what way? The only thing Allen had control over during the game was defensive playcalling. The defense actually did a tremendous job. All the offensive playcalling was on Carmichael. So the Head Coach doesn't pay any attention or have anything to do with what we just saw on Sunday? Times have changed. K Major likes this.
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11-28-2022, 04:24 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Sinner So the Head Coach doesn't pay any attention or have anything to do with what we just saw on Sunday? Times have changed. Nope. Not saying that at all. In game decisions such as going for it or not on 4th down or game clock management is mostly on the head coach, of course. But if coaching was to blame for mistakes made by the players it is more on the shoulders of the positional coaches and that comes on what they do during the week. But, once the game kicks off everything else other than playcalling falls on the players themselves. The head coach isn't fumbling the ball, missing tackles, or taking a pass off their facemask.

11-28-2022, 03:00 PM	#10
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Sinner Perhaps Payton would have COACHED differently? Perhaps. I might be wrong. I can’t see that coaching would have stopped the missed FG, The bad calls, and Kamara’s fumbles. That was my point. PleSe tell me What could Payton have done to prevent THOSE SPECIFIC THINGS. AsylumGuido and Rueben Mayes like this.