Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers

Boston Saint · 11-29-2022, 02:57 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

The Fact is: It is NOT in the HEAD COACHES' Job Description to point "blame" or to deflect in any way, to the Player, when the Players' Performance suffers. It is absolutely on the COACH to work it out with the Player, to make any and all adjustments. As a matter of Fact, it IS in the Coaches' Job Description to redirect ANY and ALL criticism (or deficiency/inconsistency) of ANY Player's Performance, to the Coach himself. It has nothing to do with what I as a Fan says or yells, while I watch the Player and the Team fall apart week after week.

Cool. I’m not a head coach. I can afford to have a more realistic opinion. Do you not want to answer the question I put out? Just wondering. I say all this with respect to your opinions Sinner.

Sinner · 11-29-2022, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Cool. I’m not a head coach. I can afford to have a more realistic opinion. Do you not want to answer the question I put out? Just wondering. I say all this with respect to your opinions Sinner.

If the question you are referring to has to do with what I was feeling, saying, or yelling during these games... or my "opinion" as a Fan... This is a poorly coached team, loaded with potential and talent, that is not being properly trained, motivated, coordinated and COACHED. It is a FACT that we have a COACHING/MANAGEMENT Problem. That's my opinion.

AsylumGuido · 11-29-2022, 04:17 PM

I am confused here. If you have a great player that doesn't have a history of fumbling the ball in critical situations for his whole career and suddenly he fumbles twice on solid, if not great, defensive plays, why is coaching suddenly the problem? Did the player forget how to hold onto the ball without a coach repeatedly tell him not to let players punch it out or drive it out with their helmet? If I am not mistaken he wasn't holding the ball loosely or well away from his body on either occasion.

I believe that Kamara has played long enough to not have to have Dennis Allen come to him to teach him how not to fumble.

Sometimes **** just happens. And this year it has happened a lot.

Sinner · 11-29-2022, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I am confused here. If you have a great player that doesn't have a history of fumbling the ball in critical situations for his whole career and suddenly he fumbles two on solid, if not great, defensive plays, why is coaching suddenly the problem? Did the player forget how to hold onto the ball without a coach repeatedly tell him not to let players punch it out or drive it out with their helmet?

I believe that Kamara has played long enough to not have to have Dennis Allen come to him to teach him how not to fumble.

If I could take you back to my original comment, and get back the extra hour of my Life spent coming full circle with you, I would/should have just asked YOU a simple question: Would you feel better with Sean Payton on the sidelines leading the Team this coming Sunday?

AsylumGuido · 11-29-2022, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

If I could take you back to my original comment, and get back the extra hour of my Life spent coming full circle with you, I would/should have just asked YOU a simple question: Would you feel better with Sean Payton on the sidelines leading the Team this coming Sunday?

Yes. Of course I would. Primarily because he would be the offensive playcaller during the game and intricately involved in the offensive game plan. Not because I believe he could prevent fumbles.

Sinner · 11-29-2022, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yes. Of course I would. Primarily because he would be the offensive playcaller during the game and intricately involved in the offensive game plan. Not because I believe he could prevent fumbles.

So the HEAD COACH has a LOT to do with WINNING GAMES... Correct?

Imagine THAT!

AsylumGuido · 11-29-2022, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by Sinner

So the HEAD COACH has a LOT to do with WINNING GAMES... Correct?

Imagine THAT!

If he's effectively the offensive coordinator, then yes, on game day he is. Credit Dennis Allen that our defense is still extremely good. Blame Pete Carmichael that our offense isn't.

What has more to do with the winning of games than the head coach is injuries. Just look at the defending Super Bowl Champions. Did their head coach suddenly suck? No. They have been decimated by injuries.

Do you put the blame for the Rams woes directly on McVay just as you do Allen?

11-29-2022, 02:57 PM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Sinner The Fact is: It is NOT in the HEAD COACHES' Job Description to point "blame" or to deflect in any way, to the Player, when the Players' Performance suffers. It is absolutely on the COACH to work it out with the Player, to make any and all adjustments. As a matter of Fact, it IS in the Coaches' Job Description to redirect ANY and ALL criticism (or deficiency/inconsistency) of ANY Player's Performance, to the Coach himself. It has nothing to do with what I as a Fan says or yells, while I watch the Player and the Team fall apart week after week. Cool. I’m not a head coach. I can afford to have a more realistic opinion. Do you not want to answer the question I put out? Just wondering. I say all this with respect to your opinions Sinner.

11-29-2022, 04:06 PM	#2
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,043	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Boston Saint Cool. I’m not a head coach. I can afford to have a more realistic opinion. Do you not want to answer the question I put out? Just wondering. I say all this with respect to your opinions Sinner. If the question you are referring to has to do with what I was feeling, saying, or yelling during these games... or my "opinion" as a Fan... This is a poorly coached team, loaded with potential and talent, that is not being properly trained, motivated, coordinated and COACHED. It is a FACT that we have a COACHING/MANAGEMENT Problem. That's my opinion.
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11-29-2022, 04:17 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers I am confused here. If you have a great player that doesn't have a history of fumbling the ball in critical situations for his whole career and suddenly he fumbles twice on solid, if not great, defensive plays, why is coaching suddenly the problem? Did the player forget how to hold onto the ball without a coach repeatedly tell him not to let players punch it out or drive it out with their helmet? If I am not mistaken he wasn't holding the ball loosely or well away from his body on either occasion. I believe that Kamara has played long enough to not have to have Dennis Allen come to him to teach him how not to fumble. Sometimes **** just happens. And this year it has happened a lot.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

11-29-2022, 04:18 PM	#4
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,043	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I am confused here. If you have a great player that doesn't have a history of fumbling the ball in critical situations for his whole career and suddenly he fumbles two on solid, if not great, defensive plays, why is coaching suddenly the problem? Did the player forget how to hold onto the ball without a coach repeatedly tell him not to let players punch it out or drive it out with their helmet? I believe that Kamara has played long enough to not have to have Dennis Allen come to him to teach him how not to fumble. If I could take you back to my original comment, and get back the extra hour of my Life spent coming full circle with you, I would/should have just asked YOU a simple question: Would you feel better with Sean Payton on the sidelines leading the Team this coming Sunday?
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11-29-2022, 04:21 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Sinner If I could take you back to my original comment, and get back the extra hour of my Life spent coming full circle with you, I would/should have just asked YOU a simple question: Would you feel better with Sean Payton on the sidelines leading the Team this coming Sunday? Yes. Of course I would. Primarily because he would be the offensive playcaller during the game and intricately involved in the offensive game plan. Not because I believe he could prevent fumbles.

11-29-2022, 04:23 PM	#6
Sinner 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 4,043	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yes. Of course I would. Primarily because he would be the offensive playcaller during the game and intricately involved in the offensive game plan. Not because I believe he could prevent fumbles. So the HEAD COACH has a LOT to do with WINNING GAMES... Correct? Imagine THAT! K Major likes this.
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11-29-2022, 04:29 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Sinner So the HEAD COACH has a LOT to do with WINNING GAMES... Correct? Imagine THAT! If he's effectively the offensive coordinator, then yes, on game day he is. Credit Dennis Allen that our defense is still extremely good. Blame Pete Carmichael that our offense isn't. What has more to do with the winning of games than the head coach is injuries. Just look at the defending Super Bowl Champions. Did their head coach suddenly suck? No. They have been decimated by injuries. Do you put the blame for the Rams woes directly on McVay just as you do Allen?