Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers

Boston Saint · 11-29-2022, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Remember when Ingram fumbled vs the Hawks in 2016?
Payton benched him for the whole game and ran Tim Hightower 30 plus times.

Our players are playing poorly, that's granted, but the coaches aren't showing them any consequences. It's not like this is a new thing, we are -12 in the turnover margin. This hasnt just started, the skill position players have been messing up all year and the coaches still haven't rectified it.

Does that mean Alvin sucks? Nope, because he hasn't really had this issue before, which surely comes down to coaching to be upfront and honest with him and say he needs to protect the ball better or pull him from the game if he's being a detriment to success.

In Payton's world, no one was too big.

Dennis I don't think has the guts to do that, to make a statement and hold the players accountable for their mishaps.

Or is it the ability? He didn’t put this team together. Who in reality would he bench Kamara for? Payton took time to get to that point. And again, why let Kamara off the hook for fumbling? Because he was “scared” of being benched? Well, Payton could bench him before he got a big contract. Allen can’t.

dizzle88 · 11-29-2022, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Or is it the ability? He didn’t put this team together. Who in reality would he bench Kamara for? Payton took time to get to that point. And again, why let Kamara off the hook for fumbling? Because he was “scared” of being benched? Well, Payton could bench him before he got a big contract. Allen can’t.

Honestly, I think people would have more respect for Allen, if he made a move like that, to show that no one is without accountability.

What's the worst they could do, fire him? Thats likely going to happen if the team doesn't show improvement anyway, go for broke, make the team realise that no one is too good to not get an earful.

Boston Saint · 11-29-2022, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Honestly, I think people would have more respect for Allen, if he made a move like that, to show that no one is without accountability.

What's the worst they could do, fire him? Thats likely going to happen if the team doesn't show improvement anyway, go for broke, make the team realise that no one is too good to not get an earful.

But for who dizz? You are trying to win every game as a head coach. People are saying Kamara isn't involved enough. He fumbles on the first drive and you are gonna sit him for Ingram to make a point?

dizzle88 · 11-29-2022, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

But for who dizz? You are trying to win every game as a head coach. People are saying Kamara isn't involved enough. He fumbles on the first drive and you are gonna sit him for Ingram to make a point?

Payton wouldn't care for who, as evidenced when he benched Ingram for Hightower.

The message should be, you want to get more playing time, you do the job right and hang onto the ball.

Boston Saint · 11-29-2022, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Payton wouldn't care for who, as evidenced when he benched Ingram for Hightower.

The message should be, you want to get more playing time, you do the job right and hang onto the ball.

Refresh my memory. When is this point you re referring to ?

dizzle88 · 11-29-2022, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Refresh my memory. When is this point you re referring to ?

It was 31/10/2016.

Based on our record, I want to say week 8?

Ingram fumbled in the first quarter which Earl Thomas returned for a TD.
He didn't get another carry after that and Hightower ran 26 times.

Boston Saint · 11-29-2022, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

It was 31/10/2016.

Based on our record, I want to say week 8?

Ingram fumbled in the first quarter which Earl Thomas returned for a TD.
He didn't get another carry after that and Hightower ran 26 times.

Ok, so in a season that ended up 7-9 on a Halloween game, Payton, who was already established as the HC benched Ingram (whom I believe he drafted).

In my mind that is different from Allen as first year coach who did not draft Kamara trying to stay in the playoff hunt not benching the All Pro Kamara. If he had benched him, to "make a point" then all hell would have come down on his head. He went with Kamara, Kamara let him down.

11-29-2022, 03:23 PM	#1
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by dizzle88 Remember when Ingram fumbled vs the Hawks in 2016? Payton benched him for the whole game and ran Tim Hightower 30 plus times. Our players are playing poorly, that's granted, but the coaches aren't showing them any consequences. It's not like this is a new thing, we are -12 in the turnover margin. This hasnt just started, the skill position players have been messing up all year and the coaches still haven't rectified it. Does that mean Alvin sucks? Nope, because he hasn't really had this issue before, which surely comes down to coaching to be upfront and honest with him and say he needs to protect the ball better or pull him from the game if he's being a detriment to success. In Payton's world, no one was too big. Dennis I don't think has the guts to do that, to make a statement and hold the players accountable for their mishaps. Or is it the ability? He didn’t put this team together. Who in reality would he bench Kamara for? Payton took time to get to that point. And again, why let Kamara off the hook for fumbling? Because he was “scared” of being benched? Well, Payton could bench him before he got a big contract. Allen can’t.

11-29-2022, 03:29 PM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Boston Saint Or is it the ability? He didn’t put this team together. Who in reality would he bench Kamara for? Payton took time to get to that point. And again, why let Kamara off the hook for fumbling? Because he was “scared” of being benched? Well, Payton could bench him before he got a big contract. Allen can’t. Honestly, I think people would have more respect for Allen, if he made a move like that, to show that no one is without accountability. What's the worst they could do, fire him? Thats likely going to happen if the team doesn't show improvement anyway, go for broke, make the team realise that no one is too good to not get an earful. Sinner likes this.

11-29-2022, 03:31 PM	#3
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by dizzle88 Honestly, I think people would have more respect for Allen, if he made a move like that, to show that no one is without accountability. What's the worst they could do, fire him? Thats likely going to happen if the team doesn't show improvement anyway, go for broke, make the team realise that no one is too good to not get an earful. But for who dizz? You are trying to win every game as a head coach. People are saying Kamara isn't involved enough. He fumbles on the first drive and you are gonna sit him for Ingram to make a point? AsylumGuido likes this.

11-29-2022, 03:33 PM	#4
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Boston Saint But for who dizz? You are trying to win every game as a head coach. People are saying Kamara isn't involved enough. He fumbles on the first drive and you are gonna sit him for Ingram to make a point? Payton wouldn't care for who, as evidenced when he benched Ingram for Hightower. The message should be, you want to get more playing time, you do the job right and hang onto the ball. SmashMouth likes this.

11-29-2022, 03:35 PM	#5
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by dizzle88 Payton wouldn't care for who, as evidenced when he benched Ingram for Hightower. The message should be, you want to get more playing time, you do the job right and hang onto the ball. Refresh my memory. When is this point you re referring to ?

11-29-2022, 03:37 PM	#6
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by Boston Saint Refresh my memory. When is this point you re referring to ? It was 31/10/2016. Based on our record, I want to say week 8? Ingram fumbled in the first quarter which Earl Thomas returned for a TD. He didn't get another carry after that and Hightower ran 26 times.

11-29-2022, 03:43 PM	#7
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Observations from the saints Loss to the 49ers Originally Posted by dizzle88 It was 31/10/2016. Based on our record, I want to say week 8? Ingram fumbled in the first quarter which Earl Thomas returned for a TD. He didn't get another carry after that and Hightower ran 26 times. Ok, so in a season that ended up 7-9 on a Halloween game, Payton, who was already established as the HC benched Ingram (whom I believe he drafted). In my mind that is different from Allen as first year coach who did not draft Kamara trying to stay in the playoff hunt not benching the All Pro Kamara. If he had benched him, to "make a point" then all hell would have come down on his head. He went with Kamara, Kamara let him down.