Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread

WW_Who_Dat · 03-14-2023, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

JW return does surprise me … does this save all the dead cap hit money was going to be owed JW had he been either Wednesday or designate post June 1 cut.

Replying to
@nick_underhill
Cap hit previously was $15 million. So signing for $4 saves a lot I doubt he will even have a chance to hit the incentives like to see what those are. Being on roster one of them or is it playing time?

Found this does this sounds about right?

AsylumGuido · 03-14-2023, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Annoys me that they can't find 7M per year and adjust the defense to include Kaden as a starter, yet they can pay Jameis 8M to ride the bench.

The defense is what it is because of the five DB's. Changing it to accommodate a third LB could defeat the whole purpose. I feel Elliss excelled because he was playing in the Werner role while Werner was out. Besides, we could be in line for another compensatory pick with Elliss leaving.

As for Jameis, who's paying him 8M to ride the bench? He's getting 4M if he rides the bench. He doesn't get 8M unless he earns incentives and those surely require NOT riding the bench. They call those incentives not likely to be earned (NLTBE) and they do not count against the current year cap. If earned they are applied to the following year's cap.

AsylumGuido · 03-14-2023, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Replying to
@nick_underhill
Cap hit previously was $15 million. So signing for $4 saves a lot I doubt he will even have a chance to hit the incentives like to see what those are. Being on roster one of them or is it playing time?

Found this does this sounds about right?

Yup. $4M isn't bad at all for a decent backup. Good deal there.

WW_Who_Dat · 03-14-2023, 08:42 AM

Loomis and Kai strike again 🤣

papz · 03-14-2023, 08:47 AM

There's a reason why we ranked so poorly in run defense last season. It's like we need to be more balanced on defense or something. It would also be nice to retain quality defensive players we seem to can't afford at the time we're trying to free up cap space every year.

I'm sure we're going to make some moves... in time. One day we're going to get our pick of the litter. Ndamukong Suh and Calais Campbell are both 36 and affordable now. Looks like both may be a perfect match here.

SmashMouth · 03-14-2023, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by papz

There's a reason why we ranked so poorly in run defense last season. It's like we need to be more balanced on defense or something. It would also be nice to retain quality defensive players we seem to can't afford at the time we're trying to free up cap space every year.

I'm sure we're going to make some moves... in time. One day we're going to get our pick of the litter. Ndamukong Suh and Calais Campbell are both 36 and affordable now. Looks like both may be a perfect match here.

We do need new blood on the DL... It's entirely possible part of the issue on stopping the run are some of the departed DL bodies. We drafting heavy DL in a heavy quality draft

AsylumGuido · 03-14-2023, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Loomis and Kai strike again 🤣

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SmashMouth · 03-14-2023, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

https://twitter.com/ktmoze/status/1635637052178944002

Hope the Saints are training someone like him. His days here may be numbered since he yearns to be a GM. Maybe Loomis can share some of his duties and Mrs Benson can keep him here.

AsylumGuido · 03-14-2023, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Hope the Saints are training someone like him. His days here may be numbered since he yearns to be a GM. Maybe Loomis can share some of his duties and Mrs Benson can keep him here.

While Harley helped develop the principles they use and surely deserves that credit, there isn't really anything that couldn't be replicated by someone he has trained. What would be missed is his scouring new CBA's for changes that can be exploited further.

AsylumGuido · 03-14-2023, 09:50 AM

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03-14-2023, 08:29 AM	#361
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,163 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat JW return does surprise me … does this save all the dead cap hit money was going to be owed JW had he been either Wednesday or designate post June 1 cut. Replying to @nick_underhill Cap hit previously was $15 million. So signing for $4 saves a lot I doubt he will even have a chance to hit the incentives like to see what those are. Being on roster one of them or is it playing time? Found this does this sounds about right?

03-14-2023, 08:33 AM	#362
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by dizzle88 Annoys me that they can't find 7M per year and adjust the defense to include Kaden as a starter, yet they can pay Jameis 8M to ride the bench. The defense is what it is because of the five DB's. Changing it to accommodate a third LB could defeat the whole purpose. I feel Elliss excelled because he was playing in the Werner role while Werner was out. Besides, we could be in line for another compensatory pick with Elliss leaving. As for Jameis, who's paying him 8M to ride the bench? He's getting 4M if he rides the bench. He doesn't get 8M unless he earns incentives and those surely require NOT riding the bench. They call those incentives not likely to be earned (NLTBE) and they do not count against the current year cap. If earned they are applied to the following year's cap.
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03-14-2023, 08:35 AM	#363
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Replying to @nick_underhill Cap hit previously was $15 million. So signing for $4 saves a lot I doubt he will even have a chance to hit the incentives like to see what those are. Being on roster one of them or is it playing time? Found this does this sounds about right? Yup. $4M isn't bad at all for a decent backup. Good deal there.

03-14-2023, 08:42 AM	#364
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,163 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Loomis and Kai strike again 🤣

03-14-2023, 08:47 AM	#365
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03-14-2023, 08:51 AM	#366
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 36,987 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by papz There's a reason why we ranked so poorly in run defense last season. It's like we need to be more balanced on defense or something. It would also be nice to retain quality defensive players we seem to can't afford at the time we're trying to free up cap space every year. I'm sure we're going to make some moves... in time. One day we're going to get our pick of the litter. Ndamukong Suh and Calais Campbell are both 36 and affordable now. Looks like both may be a perfect match here. We do need new blood on the DL... It's entirely possible part of the issue on stopping the run are some of the departed DL bodies. We drafting heavy DL in a heavy quality draft iceshack149 and Rugby Saint II like this.

03-14-2023, 08:56 AM	#367
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Loomis and Kai strike again 🤣 Twitter SmashMouth likes this.

03-14-2023, 08:58 AM	#368
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 36,987 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by AsylumGuido https://twitter.com/ktmoze/status/1635637052178944002 Hope the Saints are training someone like him. His days here may be numbered since he yearns to be a GM. Maybe Loomis can share some of his duties and Mrs Benson can keep him here. AsylumGuido likes this.

03-14-2023, 09:32 AM	#369
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by SmashMouth Hope the Saints are training someone like him. His days here may be numbered since he yearns to be a GM. Maybe Loomis can share some of his duties and Mrs Benson can keep him here. While Harley helped develop the principles they use and surely deserves that credit, there isn't really anything that couldn't be replicated by someone he has trained. What would be missed is his scouring new CBA's for changes that can be exploited further.

03-14-2023, 09:50 AM	#370
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