Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread

AsylumGuido · 06-02-2023, 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Any player, regardless of position, that is drafted in the 4th round, spends one year on the team, and you are paying for in dead money two seasons later is a wasted pick IMO.

And you are to expect some wasted picks. There's really no way to avoid them. Might as well waste it on a QB flyer rather than some random LB.

Boston Saint · 06-02-2023, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And you are to expect some wasted picks. There's really no way to avoid them. Might as well waste it on a QB flyer rather than some random LB.

There you go Guido. Trying to argue against me that Ian Book wasn’t a wasted pick. Enjoy your tango alone.

AsylumGuido · 06-02-2023, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

There you go Guido. Trying to argue against me that Ian Book wasn’t a wasted pick. Enjoy your tango alone.

Nope. Totally agree he was a wasted pick. Just pointing out that wasted picks are a part of drafting. But, of course, nobody knows when or where or what pick will end up being a waste. If you never take a chance you'll never get that dance.

Boston Saint · 06-02-2023, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Nope. Totally agree he was a wasted pick. Just pointing out that wasted picks are a part of drafting. But, of course, nobody knows when or where or what pick will end up being a waste. If you never take a chance you'll never get that dance.

Fair enough. But as a poker player/gambler myself you look at odds. Many more 4th round picks at DL, OL, DB, WR, LBs make rosters than 4th round QBs. It’s a calculated reach Payton always missed on when it came to drafting. I guess I’m saying i would only draft a QB in the first two rounds or a project/physical specimen like Taysom Hill type in 7th round. Otherwise you will likely miss out on a rotational depth player that could excel at a position that has more roster spots available than QB does. Just my opinion of course.

AsylumGuido · 06-02-2023, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Fair enough. But as a poker player/gambler myself you look at odds. Many more 4th round picks at DL, OL, DB, WR, LBs make rosters than 4th round QBs. It’s a calculated reach Payton always missed on when it came to drafting. I guess I’m saying i would only draft a QB in the first two rounds or a project/physical specimen like Taysom Hill type in 7th round. Otherwise you will likely miss out on a rotational depth player that could excel at a position that has more roster spots available than QB does. Just my opinion of course.

But no player is more important to a team as a position than is the QB. I can easily see the perspective that it is always worth the chance to hit that big one over some possible rotational player once every few years. I'd do it more often than Payton, however.

Busts are unavoidable at any position. Rarely are there no draft busts by any team. Usually more than one per franchise. And they can occur in any round. It's all part of the game.

AsylumGuido · 06-02-2023, 04:32 PM

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saintsfan1976 · 06-03-2023, 06:18 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Pretty low rate.

Except for the fact he didn't hit on any.

SmashMouth · 06-03-2023, 07:42 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Fair enough. But as a poker player/gambler myself you look at odds. Many more 4th round picks at DL, OL, DB, WR, LBs make rosters than 4th round QBs. It’s a calculated reach Payton always missed on when it came to drafting. I guess I’m saying i would only draft a QB in the first two rounds or a project/physical specimen like Taysom Hill type in 7th round. Otherwise you will likely miss out on a rotational depth player that could excel at a position that has more roster spots available than QB does. Just my opinion of course.

History of 4th rounders under SP.
Jahri Evans -- HOF
Antonio Pittman -- BUST
Chip Vaughn --who? BUST
Al Woods -- LSU player SP shoulda kept. Had a productive career.
Nick Toon -- BUST
Khari Fortt -- BUST
Rick Leonard -- BUST
CJ Gardner-Johnson -- Solid contributor
Ian Book -- Yet another johnny-come-lately-overated ND QB. Chapter has closed on Book. BUST. Only good one is Joe Montana

History of Saints Drafts

So only three players hit as 4th rounders under SP, one of which the LSU kid he should have kept. And he's still playing, now in Seattle.

Jeff Ireland has helped us. However he can't remain unscathed due to the Ian Book pick. We'll see how it pans out since SP's departure.

06-02-2023, 02:16 PM	#781
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,495	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by Boston Saint Any player, regardless of position, that is drafted in the 4th round, spends one year on the team, and you are paying for in dead money two seasons later is a wasted pick IMO. And you are to expect some wasted picks. There's really no way to avoid them. Might as well waste it on a QB flyer rather than some random LB.

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Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,898	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And you are to expect some wasted picks. There's really no way to avoid them. Might as well waste it on a QB flyer rather than some random LB. There you go Guido. Trying to argue against me that Ian Book wasn’t a wasted pick. Enjoy your tango alone.

06-02-2023, 03:39 PM	#783
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,495	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by Boston Saint There you go Guido. Trying to argue against me that Ian Book wasn’t a wasted pick. Enjoy your tango alone. Nope. Totally agree he was a wasted pick. Just pointing out that wasted picks are a part of drafting. But, of course, nobody knows when or where or what pick will end up being a waste. If you never take a chance you'll never get that dance.

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Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,898	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Nope. Totally agree he was a wasted pick. Just pointing out that wasted picks are a part of drafting. But, of course, nobody knows when or where or what pick will end up being a waste. If you never take a chance you'll never get that dance. Fair enough. But as a poker player/gambler myself you look at odds. Many more 4th round picks at DL, OL, DB, WR, LBs make rosters than 4th round QBs. It’s a calculated reach Payton always missed on when it came to drafting. I guess I’m saying i would only draft a QB in the first two rounds or a project/physical specimen like Taysom Hill type in 7th round. Otherwise you will likely miss out on a rotational depth player that could excel at a position that has more roster spots available than QB does. Just my opinion of course. jnormand, AsylumGuido, SmashMouth and 2 others like this.
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06-02-2023, 04:21 PM	#785
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,495	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by Boston Saint Fair enough. But as a poker player/gambler myself you look at odds. Many more 4th round picks at DL, OL, DB, WR, LBs make rosters than 4th round QBs. It’s a calculated reach Payton always missed on when it came to drafting. I guess I’m saying i would only draft a QB in the first two rounds or a project/physical specimen like Taysom Hill type in 7th round. Otherwise you will likely miss out on a rotational depth player that could excel at a position that has more roster spots available than QB does. Just my opinion of course. But no player is more important to a team as a position than is the QB. I can easily see the perspective that it is always worth the chance to hit that big one over some possible rotational player once every few years. I'd do it more often than Payton, however. Busts are unavoidable at any position. Rarely are there no draft busts by any team. Usually more than one per franchise. And they can occur in any round. It's all part of the game.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,190 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Official 2023 OFFSEASON Thread Originally Posted by Boston Saint Fair enough. But as a poker player/gambler myself you look at odds. Many more 4th round picks at DL, OL, DB, WR, LBs make rosters than 4th round QBs. It’s a calculated reach Payton always missed on when it came to drafting. I guess I’m saying i would only draft a QB in the first two rounds or a project/physical specimen like Taysom Hill type in 7th round. Otherwise you will likely miss out on a rotational depth player that could excel at a position that has more roster spots available than QB does. Just my opinion of course. History of 4th rounders under SP. Jahri Evans -- HOF Antonio Pittman -- BUST Chip Vaughn --who? BUST Al Woods -- LSU player SP shoulda kept. Had a productive career. Nick Toon -- BUST Khari Fortt -- BUST Rick Leonard -- BUST CJ Gardner-Johnson -- Solid contributor Ian Book -- Yet another johnny-come-lately-overated ND QB. Chapter has closed on Book. BUST. Only good one is Joe Montana History of Saints Drafts So only three players hit as 4th rounders under SP, one of which the LSU kid he should have kept. And he's still playing, now in Seattle. Jeff Ireland has helped us. However he can't remain unscathed due to the Ian Book pick. We'll see how it pans out since SP's departure. jnormand likes this.