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Another point of view.
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There no way Arizona is giving up the 3rd pick
I really don't see any team agreeing to give up 2 1st for him either. 1st round picks are worth more now than they were when Gruden was traded. I could see something like Arizona second round pick this year and next years 1st. I also try and get a pick swap with our 3rd rounder this year |
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I think it's important to remember that before any team speaks to Sean Payton they must agree on a proximity of value for Sean. As I understand it each team that wants to interview him must agree to a range of compensation before we would agree. Don't quote me if I'm wrong though. I'm wrong a lot you know. |
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It's going to be the Texans. He would still have a 1st rounder and he could start his building. I would take their 2nd #1 and 2nd rounder this year and their 1st and 3rd next season. I would give them Dennis Allen for a 7/11 slurpy.
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This article by Sigler contains what I see as more realistic estimates on the compensation and his reasoning is dead on. So what would a trade with them look like? New Orleans will get some compensation back once Payton has chosen his next team, and they reportedly want a first round pick and additional draft assets as part of that deal (remember, players can’t be involved in coach trades). That’s led to plenty of speculation and daydreaming about the Saints getting a king’s ransom in return, so here’s a proposal for each team. With apologies to fans thinking big about a Jon Gruden-style return (two first round picks, two second round picks, and his $8 million in remaining salary), this situation is different, and even though Payton should be valued at the same level, New Orleans shouldn’t anticipate something that lofty. There hasn’t been a comparable trade in 20 years, and it’s not like the Saints have a lot of leverage here. If Payton only okays one team, they’ll have to take that offer. That also takes the second- and third-overall picks in the 2023 draft off the board. Crazy things have happened before in the NFL, but it would be wild to see either of those picks (owned by Houston and Arizona, respectively) go to New Orleans. For one thing, Payton is going to want to have those picks in his own pocket once he’s hired as head coach. Sorry if that feels like being dunked in cold water, but it’s better to keep expectations grounded in hopes of being surprised than to set them too high and end up being disappointed. Denver Broncos Broncos get: Sean Payton Saints get: 2023 first round pick (No. 29) 2023 third round pick (No. 68) 2024 second round pick Houston Texans Texans get: Sean Payton Saints get: 2023 first round pick (No. 12) 2023 fourth round pick (No. 103) 2024 fourth round pick Arizona Cardinals Cardinals get: Sean Payton 2023 fourth round pick (No. 114) Saints get: 2023 second round pick (No. 34) 2023 fourth round pick (No. 104) 2024 first round pick You can read more detail here ... |
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This!
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I generally like Sigler's writing but has no more insight than any of us. As with Desaun Watson, some team can come out of left field at the last minute and blow all other offers away. Look, we all get SP has to "want" to accept that job, but again - so much happens behind the scenes, it's just silly to think that a lesser offer is more realistic. |
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Can you explain what you mean by "lesser offer"? Do you mean lesser than what the fans are hoping for, lesser than what was given for Gruden, or lesser than another franchise's offer for Payton's rights? Or something else entirely different. I'm honestly not sure what you meant by that. :confused: The Texans can offer us the 2023 #2 overall and their 1st in 2024, while the Cardinals can offer up the #3 overall and their 2024 1st. But if Payton only wants to accept the Denver job or go back to FOX and all the Broncos are willing to give up is what Sigler suggested then the Saints have no recourse other than accept it or refuse to give up his rights at all. The Broncos' "lesser offer" is better than nothing at all and should still come in handy. |
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I believe I've said the same here, as well.
Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love it if we were to get either one of the #2 or #3 picks in this year's draft, but I see no way in Hell that happens especially when the best Denver can offer is the 49er's first way down at the end of the round. |
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And this.
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Arians, Payton = Apples, Oranges.
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Here's what you pasted: Denver Broncos Broncos get: Sean Payton Saints get: 2023 first round pick (No. 29) 2023 third round pick (No. 68) 2024 second round pick Houston Texans Texans get: Sean Payton Saints get: 2023 first round pick (No. 12) 2023 fourth round pick (No. 103) 2024 fourth round pick Arizona Cardinals Cardinals get: Sean Payton 2023 fourth round pick (No. 114) Saints get: 2023 second round pick (No. 34) 2023 fourth round pick (No. 104) 2024 first round pick My point is that you (and others) keep referring to a "more reasonable" compensation package aka other than multiple 1sts. I stand by my original statement - "Sean Payton is a generational HC who is worth MULTIPLE first round picks, plus plus". Anything else IS A LESSER OFFER. And should not be accepted. I don't care what Bruce Arians went for. He's a has been who has Payton Manning and Tom Brady to thank for his success. |
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The Saints are not getting multiple 1st's. They have little to no leverage. If Payton wasn't involved in the decision then they would have leverage. However, the entire decision on where to go if he goes anywhere at all is totally up to Payton. You say Sean Payton is generational. Well, many would argue that a #2 or #3 pick in the draft is generational, as well. Twelve Super Bowls have been won since Payton won his. It can also be argued that any one of those head coaches could be considered just as generational as is Payton. |
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Let's see what happens. |
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There's an old saying that my great grandfather used to share all the time. "It's better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick." Meaning sometimes it's better to get a little something rather than nothing. |
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I'm sure he's done his homework on every potential team - at least the ones he likes.
And I'll bet there's something he likes about each franchise! |
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Levis has tools for days. Quick release, howitzer arm, legit rushing ability — Levis has it all. And unlike most quarterbacks billed for their tools at the collegiate level, Levis isn’t far off from being able to operate an NFL offense because he’s been doing it the last two years under current (Liam Coen) and former (Rich Scangarello) NFL offensive coordinators. 4. QB C.J. STROUD, OHIO STATE Stroud will get the “Ohio State quarterback” knock, given the success of his predecessors, but he operates the position differently than Dwayne Haskins and Justin Fields did. He’s a pure pocket passer who’s been tremendous at avoiding sacks over his career, with only a 12.7% pressure-to-sack conversion rate. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2023-...oard-big-board |
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Intrigued by Levis. He's a big kid with a rocket arm. His delivery is compact and quick. He's also a good runner when he needs to be.
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Day 2 selection? |
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What do you do? |
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Broncos don't have any first round picks as far as I'm aware, so that'd be a bad decision if we sent him there.
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