Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 967247) And nothing of fact which is wishful thinking on your part.

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 967248) Every part of that is fact, I made zero predictions or hopes. The saints have those options. Not trading his rights grants the listed things. I’m not sure you know what facts are at this point.

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 967251) There no way Arizona is giving up the 3rd pick I really don't see any team agreeing to give up 2 1st for him either. 1st round picks are worth more now than they were when Gruden was traded. I could see something like Arizona second round pick this year and next years 1st. I also try and get a pick swap with our 3rd rounder this year

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 967251) There no way Arizona is giving up the 3rd pick I really don't see any team agreeing to give up 2 1st for him either. 1st round picks are worth more now than they were when Gruden was traded. I could see something like Arizona second round pick this year and next years 1st. I also try and get a pick swap with our 3rd rounder this year

Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 967251) There no way Arizona is giving up the 3rd pick I really don't see any team agreeing to give up 2 1st for him either. 1st round picks are worth more now than they were when Gruden was traded. I could see something like Arizona second round pick this year and next years 1st. I also try and get a pick swap with our 3rd rounder this year

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 967249) We'll see when none of that happens.

Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 967261) I didn't say anything would happen so I still have zero clue as to what you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 967260) I like the idea of swapping third round picks with them. I don't know if they would give up a first next year or if we could expect a second and a third possibly. Although, I don't know much about his coaching value yet. I am waiting for the rest of the NFL to get into the bidding war. I think it's important to remember that before any team speaks to Sean Payton they must agree on a proximity of value for Sean. As I understand it each team that wants to interview him must agree to a range of compensation before we would agree. Don't quote me if I'm wrong though. I'm wrong a lot you know.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967274) I'm really not sure where you got that idea, Rugs. I have not seen or heard of that stipulation anywhere. I have searched for every mention of Payton posted online for the past couple of weeks. Do you have any source? :confused:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 967279) I heard them saying it on ESPN that the teams being granted permission agreed with the Saints on proximity value. Hopefully they’re right.

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So what would a trade with them look like? New Orleans will get some compensation back once Payton has chosen his next team, and they reportedly want a first round pick and additional draft assets as part of that deal (remember, players can’t be involved in coach trades). That’s led to plenty of speculation and daydreaming about the Saints getting a king’s ransom in return, so here’s a proposal for each team.

With apologies to fans thinking big about a Jon Gruden-style return (two first round picks, two second round picks, and his $8 million in remaining salary), this situation is different, and even though Payton should be valued at the same level, New Orleans shouldn’t anticipate something that lofty. There hasn’t been a comparable trade in 20 years, and it’s not like the Saints have a lot of leverage here. If Payton only okays one team, they’ll have to take that offer.

That also takes the second- and third-overall picks in the 2023 draft off the board. Crazy things have happened before in the NFL, but it would be wild to see either of those picks (owned by Houston and Arizona, respectively) go to New Orleans. For one thing, Payton is going to want to have those picks in his own pocket once he’s hired as head coach. Sorry if that feels like being dunked in cold water, but it’s better to keep expectations grounded in hopes of being surprised than to set them too high and end up being disappointed.

Denver Broncos
Broncos get:

Sean Payton
Saints get:

2023 first round pick (No. 29)
2023 third round pick (No. 68)
2024 second round pick

Houston Texans
Texans get:

Sean Payton
Saints get:

2023 first round pick (No. 12)
2023 fourth round pick (No. 103)
2024 fourth round pick

Arizona Cardinals
Cardinals get:

Sean Payton
2023 fourth round pick (No. 114)
Saints get:

2023 second round pick (No. 34)
2023 fourth round pick (No. 104)
2024 first round pick

You can read more detail here ...

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967295) This! https://twitter.com/john_siglerr/sta...90939700797447

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 967297) Opinion. I generally like Sigler's writing but has no more insight than any of us. As with Desaun Watson, some team can come out of left field at the last minute and blow all other offers away. Look, we all get SP has to "want" to accept that job, but again - so much happens behind the scenes, it's just silly to think that a lesser offer is more realistic.

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Don't get me wrong, I would absolutely love it if we were to get either one of the #2 or #3 picks in this year's draft, but I see no way in Hell that happens especially when the best Denver can offer is the 49er's first way down at the end of the round.

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 967304) Arians, Payton = Apples, Oranges.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967300) Extremely well reasoned opinion. Can you explain what you mean by "lesser offer"? Do you mean lesser than what the fans are hoping for, lesser than what was given for Gruden, or lesser than another franchise's offer for Payton's rights? Or something else entirely different. I'm honestly not sure what you meant by that. :confused: The Texans can offer us the 2023 #2 overall and their 1st in 2024, while the Cardinals can offer up the #3 overall and their 2024 1st. But if Payton only wants to accept the Denver job or go back to FOX and all the Broncos are willing to give up is what Sigler suggested then the Saints have no recourse other than accept it or refuse to give up his rights at all. The Broncos' "lesser offer" is better than nothing at all and should still come in handy.

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 967306) What you said those teams "could offer" (above) is not in the example from your post. Here's what you pasted: Denver Broncos Broncos get: Sean Payton Saints get: 2023 first round pick (No. 29) 2023 third round pick (No. 68) 2024 second round pick Houston Texans Texans get: Sean Payton Saints get: 2023 first round pick (No. 12) 2023 fourth round pick (No. 103) 2024 fourth round pick Arizona Cardinals Cardinals get: Sean Payton 2023 fourth round pick (No. 114) Saints get: 2023 second round pick (No. 34) 2023 fourth round pick (No. 104) 2024 first round pick My point is that you (and others) keep referring to a "more reasonable" compensation package aka other than multiple 1sts. I stand by my original statement - "Sean Payton is a generational HC who is worth MULTIPLE first round picks, plus plus". Anything else IS A LESSER OFFER. And should not be accepted. I don't care what Bruce Arians went for. He's a has been who has Payton Manning and Tom Brady to thank for his success.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967307) Then you think the Saints should shoot themselves in the foot and take nothing while Payton happily returns to Fox for two more years. He has already said that the chances of his doing just that is "7" on a scale of 1 to 10. The Saints are not getting multiple 1st's. They have little to no leverage. If Payton wasn't involved in the decision then they would have leverage. However, the entire decision on where to go if he goes anywhere at all is totally up to Payton. You say Sean Payton is generational. Well, many would argue that a #2 or #3 pick in the draft is generational, as well. Twelve Super Bowls have been won since Payton won his. It can also be argued that any one of those head coaches could be considered just as generational as is Payton.

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 967308) Guido, you and I differ on this. You're fine with less of a return than I am. Let's see what happens.

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 967319) I'm sure he's done his homework on every potential team - at least the ones he likes. And I'll bet there's something he likes about each franchise!

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967320) I agree. But once he talks to each of them he'll be in the position to make a decision. Having that #2 pick will be a big selling point for the Texans, as will the #3 for Arizona.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967315) https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...30357086199809

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 967324) We need that #3 pick.

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 967330) Intrigued by Levis. He's a big kid with a rocket arm. His delivery is compact and quick. He's also a good runner when he needs to be.

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 967324) We need that #3 pick.

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967307) Then you think the Saints should shoot themselves in the foot and take nothing while Payton happily returns to Fox for two more years. He has already said that the chances of his doing just that is "7" on a scale of 1 to 10. The Saints are not getting multiple 1st's. They have little to no leverage. If Payton wasn't involved in the decision then they would have leverage. However, the entire decision on where to go if he goes anywhere at all is totally up to Payton. You say Sean Payton is generational. Well, many would argue that a #2 or #3 pick in the draft is generational, as well. Twelve Super Bowls have been won since Payton won his. It can also be argued that any one of those head coaches could be considered just as generational as is Payton.

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 967334) He ain't posturing, he wants to coach. Unless Loomis is an idiot he should try to prison rape who Payton really wants to go to. No other coach out there including McVay comes close to Paytons skill set. The entire NFL knows this. I get 2 1st a 2nd a 3rdor 4th for him or he sits. Pony up

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967335) And if, let's say, Arizona tells you (proxy for Loomis) to forget it, they're not giving up their 2023 #3 pick. They tell you the best they'll do is their 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounders this year, and their 1st in 2024. If not they move on to another head coach and use all those picks themselves. Oh, and Payton says he'd rather go back to the cushy studio job paying $10 million per year and wait rather than taking a different position. What do you do?

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 967331) So what's the negatives on Levis or should I say the "areas for improvement"? Day 2 selection?

Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 967346) Broncos don't have any first round picks as far as I'm aware, so that'd be a bad decision if we sent him there.