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TheOak 01-11-2023 06:27 PM

Cards, Texans permitted to interview Sean Payton
 
The Arizona Cardinals and Houston Texans have requested -- and received -- permission to interview former New Orleans Saints coach Sean Payton, the NFL Network reported Wednesday.

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https://independenttribune.com/sport...b9925aeec.html

rezburna 01-11-2023 06:43 PM

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😈

SmashMouth 01-11-2023 08:26 PM

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Bidding fixing to begin... !!!

Halo 01-11-2023 08:29 PM

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We ain't gonna get what we deserve. Prepare for low expectations.

SmashMouth 01-11-2023 08:44 PM

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Sean Payton is doing a great job of generating interest, leverage

K Major 01-11-2023 08:45 PM

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Off topic but does Sean take Jeff Ireland with him?

That would sting.

SmashMouth 01-11-2023 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 967185)
Off topic but does Sean take Jeff Ireland with him?

That would sting.

Neaux!

TheOak 01-12-2023 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 967185)
Off topic but does Sean take Jeff Ireland with him?

That would sting.

Wouldn’t be outside the norm for a destination team to sweeten the deal by offering to take whom ever he wants to bring. Let’s keep it positive thought, maybe he takes Dennis Allen.

neugey 01-12-2023 06:05 AM

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I think we could get a bigger return if we auctioned Sean Payton!

saintsfan1976 01-12-2023 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 967192)
Wouldn’t be outside the norm for a destination team to sweeten the deal by offering to take whom ever he wants to bring. Let’s keep it positive thought, maybe he takes Dennis Allen.

Cards one of the few teams with vacancies at both Coach and GM. They just so happen to have the draft capital and ownership.

MatthewT 01-12-2023 07:20 AM

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I am surprised SP has any interest in joining the Texans. I know it's a good situation with being able to draft a potential great QB and developing him, but overall a cluster mess of a franchise.

papz 01-12-2023 07:45 AM

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All good news. Let the bidding war commence.

AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 967182)
Bidding fixing to begin... !!!

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 967198)
All good news. Let the bidding war commence.


Yes. Bidding to Payton, not the Saints. Each team will try their best to sell themselves to Payton. He'll make a decision on where he wants to make his final destination. Then the Saints and that team will go one on one to come to an agreement on the rights to Payton.

That's the point that many are totally missing. Payton makes the decision, not the Saints. Payton doesn't go to who offers the Saints the best deal, he goes to who offers HIM the best deal.

In fact, trading away draft capital would make the destination less attractive to Payton who would surely be expecting to play a major role in the draft process wherever he lands.

AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 07:52 AM

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AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 07:54 AM

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AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 07:56 AM

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AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 08:01 AM

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saintsfan1976 01-12-2023 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967199)
Yes. Bidding to Payton, not the Saints. Each team will try their best to sell themselves to Payton. He'll make a decision on where he wants to make his final destination. Then the Saints and that team will go one on one to come to an agreement on the rights to Payton.

That's the point that many are totally missing. Payton makes the decision, not the Saints. Payton doesn't go to who offers the Saints the best deal, he goes to who offers HIM the best deal.

In fact, trading away draft capital would make the destination less attractive to Payton who would surely be expecting to play a major role in the draft process wherever he lands.

Right. Saints can't simply trade Payton the way many players get traded.

However, you're making an assumption about draft capital factoring heavily in his decision. Would it be nice to have the #3 pick for example? Sure. But you and I don't have a clue what else is in the franchise's plans so it may be completely reasonable to trade for a transformational HC now while he's available.

MatthewT 01-12-2023 08:22 AM

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I don't believe the Saints will be able to grab a top 5 pick for SP, but that number 12 that Houston has could work out great. That would be a good spot to land Hendon Hooker.

AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 967208)
Right. Saints can't simply trade Payton the way many players get traded.

However, you're making an assumption about draft capital factoring heavily in his decision. Would it be nice to have the #3 pick for example? Sure. But you and I don't have a clue what else is in the franchise's plans so it may be completely reasonable to trade for a transformational HC now while he's available.

Nope. I'm not saying draft capital is weighing heavily in his decision, I'm just pointing out it would obviously be a factor. He's already stated that a good working relationship with the front office would be vital, as well. And I'm sure he has plenty of other items on his checklist.

saintsfan1976 01-12-2023 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967213)
Nope. I'm not saying draft capital is weighing heavily in his decision, I'm just pointing out it would obviously be a factor. He's already stated that a good working relationship with the front office would be vital, as well. And I'm sure he has plenty of other items on his checklist.

Regardless, unless we know the totality of he offer as well as the franchise's plans it's an assumption.

AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 967214)
Regardless, unless we know the totality of he offer as well as the franchise's plans it's an assumption.

Exactly. At this point nothing is more than assumption other than what is written in stone like current roster and available draft picks.

Papa Voodoo 01-12-2023 09:33 AM

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He turned the Saints around and won a SB. We were excited to have a single playoff win. He's proven he can do it. #giveuspicks

vpheughan 01-12-2023 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 967221)
He turned the Saints around and won a SB. We were excited to have a single playoff win. He's proven he can do it. #giveuspicks

Turned the Saints around and almost went to the Super Bowl in his first year!

papz 01-12-2023 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967199)
Yes. Bidding to Payton, not the Saints. Each team will try their best to sell themselves to Payton. He'll make a decision on where he wants to make his final destination. Then the Saints and that team will go one on one to come to an agreement on the rights to Payton.

That's the point that many are totally missing. Payton makes the decision, not the Saints. Payton doesn't go to who offers the Saints the best deal, he goes to who offers HIM the best deal.

In fact, trading away draft capital would make the destination less attractive to Payton who would surely be expecting to play a major role in the draft process wherever he lands.

We own his rights and don't have to trade him anywhere. They're intially bidding to Payton, but they're also bidding to the Saints. You are mistaken if you think Payton holds all the cards. Payton may make the initial decision, but it will all boil down to what the two teams can agree two. We're not obligated to settle for anything and nor should we.

AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 967225)
We own his rights and don't have to trade him anywhere. They're intially bidding to Payton, but they're also bidding to the Saints. You are mistaken if you think Payton holds all the cards. Payton may make the initial decision, but it will all boil down to what the two teams can agree two. We're not obligated to settle for anything and nor should we.

That is exactly right. The Saints don't HAVE to settle for anything. They can choose to get nothing instead. However, if they want more than nothing they are limited to the most that the other team is willing to offer. As I have pointed out several times, the only card that the Saints hold is the veto card. They have the ability to say Payton goes nowhere.

Mr.Riaton 01-12-2023 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 967225)
We own his rights and don't have to trade him anywhere. They're intially bidding to Payton, but they're also bidding to the Saints. You are mistaken if you think Payton holds all the cards. Payton may make the initial decision, but it will all boil down to what the two teams can agree two. We're not obligated to settle for anything and nor should we.

I agree. The only thing I’m worried about is the Saints backing down a little for Sean because of what he’s done for this organization. I hope they hold their ground

AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 11:04 AM

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dizzle88 01-12-2023 11:44 AM

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Bidding war, bidding war!!!

TheOak 01-12-2023 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967228)
That is exactly right. The Saints don't HAVE to settle for anything. They can choose to get nothing instead. However, if they want more than nothing they are limited to the most that the other team is willing to offer. As I have pointed out several times, the only card that the Saints hold is the veto card. They have the ability to say Payton goes nowhere.

The Saints hold more than a veto card, they have the upper hand. The Saints are in a position to openly auction his rights to any team that will bid and they can decide to narrow Sean's pool if they choose to. The Saints have the power to way "we don't care who you want, you get to chose from only AFC teams". If Sean doesn't like that, he has to wait it out.

Furthermore, if they choose not to trade him they are not getting nothing. Sitting on Sean Payton for a year delays any exodus of coaches that might leave to follow him. Delays any players that enter free-agency from being available to him. Delays facing him in regular season or playoffs. Delays a lot of press drama. They get a lot of peace of mind. :bng:

AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 967235)
Bidding war, bidding war!!!

For what they are willing to pay Payton, yes. For what they are willing to give the Saints for his rights, no. It takes more than one party to bid. Payton decides the one team he wants to go to.

Once again, here's how Nick Underhill explains it.


AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 12:08 PM

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There's also a decent chance that Payton decides he doesn't want any of the openings. In an interview a few days back he said, "Everyone’s asking about that city, or quarterback. I think it’s more about ownership and front office. There’s no utopia — all these teams, they’re all moving on for reasons. And some of them, you’ve got to be careful that it’s not just the coach, that there are problems that run deeper. For me, it would be ownership and front office."

When asked about his odds of returning to the FOX studio in 2023 on a scale of one to ten, Payton responded “Seven,” with a straight face. So he’s more likely to stay in the studio than return to a sideline. That might be hard to believe, and it’s probably a leverage play to help him (and maybe the Saints) out in negotiations, but it goes to show that he has enjoyed a turn in the media as much as he expected.

shawnkytonk 01-12-2023 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 967237)
The Saints hold more than a veto card, they have the upper hand. The Saints are in a position to openly auction his rights to any team that will bid and they can decide to narrow Sean's pool if they choose to. The Saints have the power to way "we don't care who you want, you get to chose from only AFC teams". If Sean doesn't like that, he has to wait it out.

Furthermore, if they choose not to trade him they are not getting nothing. Sitting on Sean Payton for a year delays any exodus of coaches that might leave to follow him. Delays any players that enter free-agency from being available to him. Delays facing him in regular season or playoffs. Delays a lot of press drama. They get a lot of peace of mind. :bng:

No offense, but this is some serious wishful thinking. As I’ve said before, some of you are going to be sorely disappointed.

AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 967240)
No offense, but this is some serious wishful thinking. As I’ve said before, some of you are going to be sorely disappointed.

Couldn't agree more, shawnky.

shawnkytonk 01-12-2023 12:23 PM

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And don’t get me wrong, I’d more than love for it to play out like some of are expecting and will gladly eat crow if it does. I’m just not prone to wearing rose colored glasses…..that is all.

AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Halo (Post 967183)
We ain't gonna get what we deserve. Prepare for low expectations.

As our esteemed site owner said himself earlier in this thread.

Papa Voodoo 01-12-2023 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 967239)
There's also a decent chance that Payton decides he doesn't want any of the openings. In an interview a few days back he said, "Everyone’s asking about that city, or quarterback. I think it’s more about ownership and front office. There’s no utopia — all these teams, they’re all moving on for reasons. And some of them, you’ve got to be careful that it’s not just the coach, that there are problems that run deeper. For me, it would be ownership and front office."

When asked about his odds of returning to the FOX studio in 2023 on a scale of one to ten, Payton responded “Seven,” with a straight face. So he’s more likely to stay in the studio than return to a sideline. That might be hard to believe, and it’s probably a leverage play to help him (and maybe the Saints) out in negotiations, but it goes to show that he has enjoyed a turn in the media as much as he expected.

There goes the Texans for sure.

AsylumGuido 01-12-2023 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 967242)
And don’t get me wrong, I’d more than love for it to play out like some of are expecting and will gladly eat crow if it does. I’m just not prone to wearing rose colored glasses…..that is all.

Same here, shawnky. I'd absolutely love it if we made a killing in draft capital and I live in rose colored glasses, but the Saints do not have the leverage that some people believe in this case. I can already see the posts slamming the Saints for accepting "too little" for Payton's rights.

TheOak 01-12-2023 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shawnkytonk (Post 967240)
No offense, but this is some serious wishful thinking. As I’ve said before, some of you are going to be sorely disappointed.

What part of what I said is a wish? Read it carefully, there is no optimism or pessimism, just an outlay of options and consequences.

shawnkytonk 01-12-2023 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 967246)
What part of that is a wish? Read it carefully, there is no optimism or pessimism, just an outlay of options and consequences.

And nothing of fact which is wishful thinking on your part.


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