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Originally Posted by Sinner View Post "the Saints have little to no leverage" fits perfectly with "the Saints suffer from too many fumbles and false starts" and "the Saints have been decimated with injuries" and "the Saints couldn't have possibly prepared to secure a Championship-Caliber Quarterback, while Drew was in decline" or "the Saints couldn't have possibly invested $60 million in something beyond turf toe" or whatever sorry excuse some fans come upon with to give dismal ownership and (mis)management of a PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL TEAM a pass. :rofl: |
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After what we just witnessed this season, and at this time of the year, when other teams advance into the post-season, we need to be seeing some radical changes and adjustments being made. It's not happening. I just cannot sing "Kumbaya" when thinking about what our next season is going to look like. |
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Owning his rights is the single most important leverage there is. If we have no leverage, you're basically saying we have to take whatever the opposing team is willing to give us or risk not getting any compensation at all. That's not how it's going to work. That doesn't make any damn sense. |
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And, no, and yes. No we do not "have to take whatever the opposing team is willing to give us". We can take what was already agreed upon before they were given the okay to speak with Payton. And, yes, "risk not getting any compensation at all." That IS the way it works. And yes it makes sense when you have limited leverage (only the ability to withhold the rights). |
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And I'm nowhere near the only one pointing out these facts. Once again, I would absolutely love it if the Saints were in a position to shop Payton like they could a player without a no trade clause. But they aren't. |
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"Oh but this isn't anything like THOSE DAYS!" Sam Darnold smoked us twice this season. The second and most painful time, to close the season, he smoked us at home, with 43 total passing yards, zero touchdowns and two interceptions. Maybe not time to break out the paper bags... We'll use plastic for this. |
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CSP himself said on “The Herd” that he had talked with Loomis and he thinks it will be mid to late 1st round and 3rd round with the first possibly next year. That’s not someone else’s speculation.
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How do they already know that unless they already know he wants the Denver job maybe |
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Let's not forget that the same basic trade requirements were shared with all interested teams prior to any contact with Payton. You can be assured that every front office in the league knew of those same requirements within an hour. :D The ONLY bit of leverage that I can think of would be if Payton didn't care what was going to be his final destination and what draft capital that team would have remaining after the trade. And I don't think there's a chance in hell of that being the case. |
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That's why I think they may have asked for a draft chart trade number that included either a 2023 or 2024 1st rounder plus other picks to total a certain value. That way all interested parties would be operating on the same scale. |
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Seriously, future picks always carry less of a value than current year picks. In trades they usually treat them as being mid round. |
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I think the main reason why Sean holds more leverage is the single fact that he’s not desperate to coach. He’ll go back to Fox or wherever for a couple more years until he’s free if the Saints play hardball. I think Sean was throwing Mickey and the Saints a bone by meeting with Mickey to discuss something they’re both happy with. If Sean was desperate, it’d be a different story. It’s pretty unfortunate because I’m thinking maybe we won’t get what he’s worth imo. I guess we’ll see
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When he said ‘if the situation is right’, part of that is not getting ass raped by a ton of picks by the Saints from his new team, including high value picks. He’ll just wait it out…He’s not stupid. I was hopeful at first but starting to think maybe we won’t get what we feel he’s worth unfortunately |
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How is it that people vehemently profess otherwise but continue to explain how the team has the power in this situation?
Because on paper the TEAM holds all the power. I have done this for a living so I will share my experience with negotiations... The party that has the least leverage is always the more desperate party. In Sean Payton's case the team has all the power but ownership, management, and fans have imposed desperation on themselves and that nullifies their leverage. This is a cognitive bias called "Loss Aversion", the fear of getting nothing, and it is what makes people accept bad deals. Loss Aversion makes fans feel like we absolutely must get something for Sean Payton, and that is what will lead to accepting an outcome below perceived market value. He is a sunk cost that doesn't effect our cap, and you can not lose what you do not possess.:bng: |
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It's a big compromise between all parties involved. The Saints aren't stuck in a corner with a tube of lube just waiting to get taken advantaged of. That only happens when you have nothing to bargain with.
The point some are trying to make is not about who carries the most leverage in this situation, but saying the fact we have little to none just doesn't make any sense. We own the rights to the biggest chip in the deal and that counts for something. We're all incentivized to make a deal. |
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Sean's shopping trip continues.
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The Chargers are definitely not in the running.
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Looks like it's down to Denver, Houston, and Carolina, it's being reported that Arizona doesn't want to give up the picks. So much for my prediction of him going to AZ... lol
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I am pulling for Sean Payton to take the job in Houston. They have plenty of draft picks so that Sean Payton does not have an empty cupboard. We know that Sean Payton can turn a team around and that team definitely needs to be turned around. I'm from Texas originally and I wouldn't mind seeing him move there. Traffic there is a real b**** though.
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If the new Arizona GM doesn't stand for egos, then I can see why Payton crossed them off his list.
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"A first-rounder and likely more." More confirmation. The only question is when and where will that first be located.
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It's looking more and more like Denver and that 49er's 1st they hold. I suppose we need to start hoping for the Niners to kicked out of the dance immediately.
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