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Well, is it down to the Broncos and their very late 1st rounder or back to Fox and nothing for the Saints? It's sounding more and more like Payton has no interest in the other jobs.

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We can still dance for draft picks next year.
This leak is more likely a means to try to water down trade compensation. This version of SP psyops is fascinating.

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Yes, there's always next year if it comes down to that. But, according to everyone supposedly "in the know", trade compensation was already basically agreed upon before Denver, or any other team, was even given permission to speak to Payton. Probably nothing left to do but cross some t's and dot some i's.

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I don't care what the draft haul is. I do not want Sean Payton coaching in the NFC South unless it's with us and I don't see that happening.

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An ex is an ex for a reason and I never cared who she was ****ing next. Its unhealthy.

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Precisely why Saints need/must maximize this asset with THE most picks possible/ever for a SB winning coach. It leaves a bit of bad taste hearing/seeing SP lobbying on potential draft compensation. Who is he now to intertwine himself when HE made the choice to exit the way he did and leave this franchise in the shape it was left. Yes, DA isn't who we thought he should be. Still doesn't make it right for SP to handcuff the Saints even more with his trade compensation meddling. Loomis must focus strictly on the Saints. Friendship be damned as it's all business. If he was instrumental in the Davis trade with the Pelicans, he understands what to do. So do it right, Loomis :bng:

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Sorry, Smash, but I must have missed where Payton has lobbied on potential draft compensation. When and where was that? He mentioned what Loomis had already shared with others about compensation (one mid to late round 1st plus) but I haven't seen anything else.

:confused:

The Davis trade was completely different in that the player had to go where traded. He didn't have the choice. In the case of Payton, he makes the decision where he wants to go.

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The continued leaks and reporting with his new best friend in L.A., Colin Cowturd. Sitting back and truly listening , body language , seeing the tell, understanding , keeping your eyes wide open. It's all happening before our very eyes.

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All he said in that whole interview about compensation was what was already out there from Loomis and other sources. He simply confirmed it by telling Cowherd that Loomis told him he was telling the inquiring teams that it would take a 1st rounder plus other picks. I still don't understand how that is lobbying? Compensation remains entirely between the Saints and their individual trading partner. Payton has no affect on that whatsoever.

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Read the body language.

The notion that the Saints' owe him is just that, nonsense. It's really the other way. Loomis must capitalize.

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Sorry. I'm still not seeing it. I'm not seeing or hearing where he is implying that the Saints owe him anything. And there's nothing Payton can say or do that affects the compensation. Nothing.

And Loomis is capitalizing. We're getting at least a 1st rounder plus other picks in compensation. It's looking more and more like it will be Denver and all they have in the 2023 first round is the 49er's pick and it's going to be down near the bottom. Hopefully that means we'll get, say, the 2023 2nd and third, and their 2024 2nd, for example. That'll be pretty solid.

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https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...lion-per-year/

Just look how brazen this move above was. Flores bulldozed it up pretty good. It wound up costing Miami significant 2023 draft capital as it turns out as the punishment was very recently unhurled by RG. What escapes me on what happened there is that one party that was significantly harmed was the Saints. That's how little Shiotes SP gave the Saints in trying to get this deal done behind the scenes. Should the Saints at least not get the first round pick from the Dolphins , the one that just got taken away, from the tampering that went on there ? There has to be a cost, right?
That's why Loomis needs to go for the jugular . :bng:

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No doubt he'll go for the jugular, but I believe there's far less blood flowing there than some fans think. I can't imagine any team forking over multiple 1st rounders for a coach again. That Raiders/Bucs deal for Gruden was an outlier. An anomaly. No way another team screws the pooch on that type of deal again. They can get the next coach in line without giving up any picks at all.

I hope the hell I'm wrong, but I seriously doubt I am in this case.

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It worked out for the Bucs, did it not? They got a ring and all. Warren Sapp is still milking it from his time there .

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Yup. They got a ring that very first year with Dungy's players and a roster that had made the playoff the previous three years in a row. They then had a losing record three of the next four years winning only four games once and five games in another. They were slammed as overpaying for years after the move. There have been other trades of coaches rights over the years and none were anywhere near that level. As I said, it was an outlier.

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It's an outlier until it isn't. DW trade showed us that. There are only two spots worthy of backing up the Brinks truck, not IMHO, but as echoed by many in the MSM, including SP's new buddy in L.A., QB and HC. I think it's BS myself. That's not how the Patriots are run. QB Purdy is proving it all over again. It's not what we think, it's what we can get . And we can get a lot. And we should, including Miami's recent #1 taken away by RG.

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We'll get as much as possible. I am just afraid you'll find out it's not as much as you would hope. And that's pretty much the consensus out there. It seems every ex-GM out there has been asked in the past few days what they were expecting in compensation for Payton and to a man they have said they are expecting a single 1st round pick and an assortment of additional picks. None of them felt we could get multiple 1st's. If we said "two 1st's or no deal" I would suspect that one and only team in the running would say "pound rocks" and simply sign their second choice for HC and use those picks to better their team.

I fully understand you want more and you expect more, but WE are not involved in the hopeful transaction. Once again, Smash, I hope the hell I am wrong, but I seriously doubt it.

Oh, and that Brinks truck will be backing up. It'll just be at Payton's front door with $20-$25 million per year.

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Body language says it all.

SP does NOT decide how big the/his trade value is, despite his veiled lobbying. He DOES decide if and where he wants to continue his coaching career, as he tried we now know previously with Miami. With this track record in mind, it wouldn't be shocking if we were to find out this same thing may have happened even before the Miami scandal. Gail Benson needs to put her foot down and request Miami's now taken by RG 2023 #1 draft pick as compensation for the tampering.

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You're pissing in the wind on that one, Smash. LOL!

And everyone, including Payton, knows he has no bearing on his trade value. I'm afraid you are imagining his lobbying. It's not there.

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https://media.tenor.com/DozZTQmVXIEA...john-candy.gif

Sure... sure... SP didn't try to go to Miami.
I guaran-damn-tee you if he was able to get Mahomes here and KC does not get him, SP is NOT getting the hell outta dodge.

I know it's a hard reality for some, but SP has been trying to leave for longer than we can fathom to imagine.

He didn't get the GB gig and settled for the Saints. Parcels convinced him to seize an opportunity to turn around a downtrodden franchise. He's following the Parcels playbook, except it's taken him longer to move on than he's really wanted. We're grateful as fans for the one trophy we got. We really should have had more if he knows the rulebook like BB, or the SF TE is covered better in 2011. :bng:

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Who knows. That may all be true. But none of it has any relevance to what the Saints can honestly expect in compensation for rights to Payton.

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Depends on how crafty Loomis is, neaux? If he's as crafty as he was with the Pelicans in the Davis trade, we'll be sitting pretty. The beauty of it is he can play hardball for another year. Just how badly does Denver really want SP? Just how badly does SP wanna get paid 20-25 million a year? He was purportedly to get a 4 year $100 contract in Miami.

Loomis and Gayle Benson need to ensure they are getting properly compensated for the Miami situation. No one is really talking about it, but it should be much more in the forefront. :bng:

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Nobody is talking about it because it is a done deal. It has already been dealt with.

As for compensation, I hope you are right, but comparing the compensation for a player with no say in the matter to that for Payton who has total say for where he wants to go is comparing apples to fence posts.

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That's open for debate too on whether it's a done deal too. That's the very purpose of our discussions here, to debate and pontificate.

We can't have a Ceedy Deuce type of trade, period. We'll see if Loomis comes through.

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Ceedy Duce was causing problems. I believe they would have cut him outright if they couldn't find a trade partner. When he started refusing to practice his days were numbered.

I did some research on the NFL tampering rules when this was all going on, Smash. The bylaws stated that the league could levy fines and/or dock the franchise implicated in tampering draft picks. I posted that all somewhere here months ago. The rules do not, however, allow for any awarding of compensation or such to a team that has been tamped with. It is a done deal unless the bylaws are changed and then it will only apply to occurrences moving forward.

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Maybe, but we've seen RG buck whatever rules he wants.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...broncos-coach/

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The B&G Unabridged Dictionary defines Unrealistic, As: "MY Saints Going 20 - 0 FOREVER"

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As I have explained before, I have never honestly thought the Saints were going to go undefeated. But I have and always will predict an undefeated season because season long predictions are otherwise fruitless and meaningless.

20-0 Baby!

:bng:

:D

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Oops! Carolina has already screwed up before even giving Payton an interview.

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https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/...mor-broncos-hc

:popcorn:

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LOL!

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Payton interview with Carolina postponed.

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