Good Idea?

LivnaLieTimay · 02-23-2006, 02:56 PM

FanNJ, maybe pennington will now be able to throw a 3 yard screen pass, haha. Like I said in another thread, Leinart may not have a huge arm, but he has a better arm that chad pennington.

FatiusJeebs · 02-23-2006, 02:58 PM

Whodi....look at the article I just posted under "interesting read from SI"

mjf150 · 02-23-2006, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

Like I posted in another thread....Leinart is sounding a lot more like Danny Wuerffuel.

And Pennington is starting to sound a lot like Chris "Chandelier".

FanNJ · 02-23-2006, 03:08 PM

Leinart may not have a huge arm, but he has a better arm that chad pennington

Ok you got me I'll agree there but only post surgery

saintswhodi · 02-23-2006, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

Whodi....look at the article I just posted under "interesting read from SI"

Wait, you are saying Leinart has NO ARM STRENGTH based on an article that said:

And then there's Leinart, the former Heisman winner from USC, who has both his fans and his detractors in NFL personnel circles. What's more important? Being a proven winner and having played in a big-time NFL-style offense, or possessing the arm strength that most league talent scouts look for? Leinart's left arm is more accurate than overpowering, and that has some people nervous about his top billing.

"I'm a big proponent with quarterbacks that know that when and where to throw the football is just as important as arm strength, and he understands that part of the game,'' Mayock said. "The question marks I have is that for a guy who's known as a highly accurate passer with tremendous touch, he gets a little sloppy at times. And he doesn't have that consistent fastball. He doesn't throw that 18-yard dig or that 18-yard comeback like I'd like to see a top-10 quarterback throw. So anybody who thinks he's another Carson Palmer from an arm strength or an athletic ability standpoint has been solely misled.''

So cause he's not Carson Palmer, he has NO ARM STRENGTH? Oh Lord yes, I am DEFINITELY taking your opinions on QBs no longer with a grain of salt, but with a vat of salt.

mjf150 · 02-23-2006, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by FanNJ

Fact of the matter is our late round picks have not been that stellar. Haslett actually may have left this team with some young talent out of the last two drafts, However that impact line backer and great linemen are usually found in the early picks. That being

Besides, would you rather keep Aaron Brooks, a.k.a.-"Fumbles the Clown" as your QB when you have a shot at a guy like Leinart.

I'll be honest. Yes. Where I disagree is on QB and only time will tell. I would much rather see Cutler who reminds me of Marino only with mobility drafted, than Leinart who I fear has peaked.

FanNJ, I can not believe that you actually said that you would not want Leinart because he "has peaked". Yet, you would be OK with letting Brooks have another shot even though he has consistently regressed ever since his first year.

FatiusJeebs · 02-23-2006, 03:17 PM

Listen....if his arm strength was not such a question then why would other QB's like Cutler all of a sudden possess just as much value as Leinart? Lets face it every QB says the same thing...the speed of the game at the NFL level is much much faster. Arm strength and athletic ability are super important. If Leinart is lacking this then yes it can be a serious problem when he gets to the NFL.

saintswhodi · 02-23-2006, 03:25 PM

Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs

Listen....if his arm strength was not such a question then why would other QB's like Cutler all of a sudden possess just as much value as Leinart? Lets face it every QB says the same thing...the speed of the game at the NFL level is much much faster. Arm strength and athletic ability are super important. If Leinart is lacking this then yes it can be a serious problem when he gets to the NFL.

Wait, what? Cutler has as much value as Leinart? On what draft board? crackcity.com? I am changing it to a tanker of salt. Dude, I have no idea where you get your QB ideas. Once again, he is said to have the arm strength of Peyton Manning. How much of a problem has that been for Manning?

FanNJ · 02-23-2006, 03:41 PM

FanNJ, I can not believe that you actually said that you would not want Leinart because he "has peaked". Yet, you would be OK with letting Brooks have another shot even though he has consistently regressed ever since his first year.

Yes I am and I think he has regess more since 03 than anything else along with the enire team. I am wondering if it is more his grip on the ball post surgery, sweaty palms or maybe the change in center that was causing the airball fumbles. I blame more the coaching than anything. This year I refuse to look at because they all sucked and given the circumstances did anyone really believe that it would have been better? No it was expected that they suck.
Brooks is a known quantity and can play at a high level. Consistancy as Whodi points out is what is lacking, but that starts with the O-Line the Running game and The Q_B as well as the recievers, and is more of a factor of poor coaching and diciple as much as it is lack of skill and ability.
Do I think that what I have seen to date makes me believe he could be successful absolutly, and I would take that over the unproven any day. If Payton and FO deciedes to keep AB and bring in either a young quarterback or FA that can puch for the starting spot will he play at a higher level..good possiblility he would.
When you look at the regression is it all in his corner, no. Would you say that Farve regressed this year because the entire team around him was inconsistant? Did you happen to watch all the fumbles and Ints he had? Would you still call him one of the top QB's in the league? I would.
Not to many QB's will florish when every drive contains 1st and 20 2nd and 15 3rd and 25 get my drift.

FatiusJeebs · 02-23-2006, 03:50 PM

What are you talking about whodi....go to "anything".com and see that Cutler's value has him projected as the third pick now instead of the ninth. Every board I see...SI...ESPN....the list goes on...Cutler's name right now is uber hot. People are realizing that he has the tools and the capacity to do it. To me thats more important that having knowledge of e pro-style offense. QB's can always learn schemes....but natural talents??? You know that you don't just earn those.

02-23-2006, 02:58 PM	#62
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02-23-2006, 03:02 PM	#63
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 752	Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs Like I posted in another thread....Leinart is sounding a lot more like Danny Wuerffuel. And Pennington is starting to sound a lot like Chris "Chandelier".
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02-23-2006, 03:08 PM	#64
FanNJ 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 324	Leinart may not have a huge arm, but he has a better arm that chad pennington Ok you got me I'll agree there but only post surgery
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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs Whodi....look at the article I just posted under "interesting read from SI" Wait, you are saying Leinart has NO ARM STRENGTH based on an article that said: And then there's Leinart, the former Heisman winner from USC, who has both his fans and his detractors in NFL personnel circles. What's more important? Being a proven winner and having played in a big-time NFL-style offense, or possessing the arm strength that most league talent scouts look for? Leinart's left arm is more accurate than overpowering, and that has some people nervous about his top billing. "I'm a big proponent with quarterbacks that know that when and where to throw the football is just as important as arm strength, and he understands that part of the game,'' Mayock said. "The question marks I have is that for a guy who's known as a highly accurate passer with tremendous touch, he gets a little sloppy at times. And he doesn't have that consistent fastball. He doesn't throw that 18-yard dig or that 18-yard comeback like I'd like to see a top-10 quarterback throw. So anybody who thinks he's another Carson Palmer from an arm strength or an athletic ability standpoint has been solely misled.'' So cause he's not Carson Palmer, he has NO ARM STRENGTH? Oh Lord yes, I am DEFINITELY taking your opinions on QBs no longer with a grain of salt, but with a vat of salt.

02-23-2006, 03:16 PM	#66
mjf150 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 752	Originally Posted by FanNJ Fact of the matter is our late round picks have not been that stellar. Haslett actually may have left this team with some young talent out of the last two drafts, However that impact line backer and great linemen are usually found in the early picks. That being Besides, would you rather keep Aaron Brooks, a.k.a.-"Fumbles the Clown" as your QB when you have a shot at a guy like Leinart. I'll be honest. Yes. Where I disagree is on QB and only time will tell. I would much rather see Cutler who reminds me of Marino only with mobility drafted, than Leinart who I fear has peaked. FanNJ, I can not believe that you actually said that you would not want Leinart because he "has peaked". Yet, you would be OK with letting Brooks have another shot even though he has consistently regressed ever since his first year.
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LivnaLieTimay 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: New York Posts: 1,498	FanNJ, maybe pennington will now be able to throw a 3 yard screen pass, haha. Like I said in another thread, Leinart may not have a huge arm, but he has a better arm that chad pennington.

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FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	Listen....if his arm strength was not such a question then why would other QB's like Cutler all of a sudden possess just as much value as Leinart? Lets face it every QB says the same thing...the speed of the game at the NFL level is much much faster. Arm strength and athletic ability are super important. If Leinart is lacking this then yes it can be a serious problem when he gets to the NFL.
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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by FatiusJeebs Listen....if his arm strength was not such a question then why would other QB's like Cutler all of a sudden possess just as much value as Leinart? Lets face it every QB says the same thing...the speed of the game at the NFL level is much much faster. Arm strength and athletic ability are super important. If Leinart is lacking this then yes it can be a serious problem when he gets to the NFL. Wait, what? Cutler has as much value as Leinart? On what draft board? crackcity.com? I am changing it to a tanker of salt. Dude, I have no idea where you get your QB ideas. Once again, he is said to have the arm strength of Peyton Manning. How much of a problem has that been for Manning?

02-23-2006, 03:41 PM	#69
FanNJ 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 324	FanNJ, I can not believe that you actually said that you would not want Leinart because he "has peaked". Yet, you would be OK with letting Brooks have another shot even though he has consistently regressed ever since his first year. Yes I am and I think he has regess more since 03 than anything else along with the enire team. I am wondering if it is more his grip on the ball post surgery, sweaty palms or maybe the change in center that was causing the airball fumbles. I blame more the coaching than anything. This year I refuse to look at because they all sucked and given the circumstances did anyone really believe that it would have been better? No it was expected that they suck. Brooks is a known quantity and can play at a high level. Consistancy as Whodi points out is what is lacking, but that starts with the O-Line the Running game and The Q_B as well as the recievers, and is more of a factor of poor coaching and diciple as much as it is lack of skill and ability. Do I think that what I have seen to date makes me believe he could be successful absolutly, and I would take that over the unproven any day. If Payton and FO deciedes to keep AB and bring in either a young quarterback or FA that can puch for the starting spot will he play at a higher level..good possiblility he would. When you look at the regression is it all in his corner, no. Would you say that Farve regressed this year because the entire team around him was inconsistant? Did you happen to watch all the fumbles and Ints he had? Would you still call him one of the top QB's in the league? I would. Not to many QB's will florish when every drive contains 1st and 20 2nd and 15 3rd and 25 get my drift.
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02-23-2006, 03:50 PM	#70
FatiusJeebs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 973	What are you talking about whodi....go to "anything".com and see that Cutler's value has him projected as the third pick now instead of the ninth. Every board I see...SI...ESPN....the list goes on...Cutler's name right now is uber hot. People are realizing that he has the tools and the capacity to do it. To me thats more important that having knowledge of e pro-style offense. QB's can always learn schemes....but natural talents??? You know that you don't just earn those.
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