Stallworth Trade?

wheelman · 08-28-2006, 08:44 PM

Maybe we can package those three 4th round picks for a cornerback...

lumm0x · 08-28-2006, 08:58 PM

As much as it pains me to see him leave, we got damn good value for him. Arguably he and Lelie are similar in performance value, and they are the same age and contract status. We did better for Donte than Denver did for Lelie. Simoneau and a guaranteed 4th, possibly a 3rd is pretty good actually. Simoneau can start or is very solid depth and Philly's pick will likely be better than Washington's as well.

We made out good on him.

Rsanders24 · 08-28-2006, 09:07 PM

Yeah, I bet he is one of Reid's all-time favorites! This is a guy who was given the starting job by Reid in 2003 and lost it right back in 2004 halfway through the season because they could not stop the run!

Damn! Why doesn't Payton see that we need a (some) CB's? The run defense has not been nearly as bad as the pass defense. Oh well, maybe next year he will sign 10 or 15 CB's like he did with Safeties and LB's.

MatthewT · 08-28-2006, 09:10 PM

See ya D-Stall. It was nice knowing you. I sure hope the Saints know what they are doing. I would not be surprised if Devery Henderson is next to go...

lumm0x · 08-28-2006, 09:12 PM

Henderson doesn't have enough value to move right now. Only way he's leaving is by being cut I think.

GoldRush26 · 08-28-2006, 09:16 PM

Honestly who does this come as a shock to? The writing has been on the wall for quite a while now. If you thought all of that talk about Payton not liking him and Stallworth being on the bubble was all fluff, then now you know better. I think a conditional 4th is perfect compensation and I would have accepted that by itself. Simoneau....i'm not crazy about him but he's better than some of what we have, which isn't saying much.

Stallworth's departure will open up opportunities for Colston and Hass who have shined thus far. I like the move. Hopefully this will help rid the team of that "sense of entitlement" that some players on our team might have just because of where they were drafted.

I do wish Stallworth well and hope he does well in Philly. I will be watching more Eagles highlights, but I think we made the right move in dumping himi.

RockyMountainSaint · 08-28-2006, 09:21 PM

I would not be surprised if Devery Henderson is next to go...

Neither I.
How long do you wait for a WR to learn to catch the ball?!?!

D24pick · 08-28-2006, 09:23 PM

Originally Posted by lumm0x

As much as it pains me to see him leave, we got damn good value for him. Arguably he and Lelie are similar in performance value, and they are the same age and contract status. We did better for Donte than Denver did for Lelie. Simoneau and a guaranteed 4th, possibly a 3rd is pretty good actually. Simoneau can start or is very solid depth and Philly's pick will likely be better than Washington's as well.

We made out good on him.

Please stop comparing Stall's #'s with Lelie's....Obviously, we can see that Stall has improved, all Lelie has done was start off excellent then drop

This now opens the door for the others who were on their way out like C.Horn or a Lance Moore, Moore who was surely gonna be a PS guy, but now has to fight with Lymaan to earn that last spot...With Stall gone, it'll take two guys to fill in that #2 spot. Which will be Colston and DH's job sharing time at #2, Hass will own his spot at #3...To me Jones has dropped on my list. He hasn't been all that impressive like he started off anymore, if he thinks that he has a spot locked up from the beginning, then hes wrong! If he can get back to how he was performing, then we have our 5th reciver, then there's the battle between Moore, Lymaan, and C.Horn

About the trade, this could really turn out to be a smart one. Payton has come in and made some pretty impressive moves to improve this team. Mark has been a starter, a similar Fujita type player, although Stall was much younger, he brings leadership and pure skills to the table. Even though I would've prefered Jones or Trotter, this is still a very much upgrade on our D

Another thing, Why did we get a LB?!
We needed a CB, we are so weak at that position that we'll dominate at stopping the run but get passed on until our ears bleed. We can clearly see that our LBing corp was looking pretty good without Mark and his 3rd rounder, if any trade was a good one...We would've been better off getting a starting LB or a corner

He definitely won't be a starter in my opinion, over who? Fujita is a stay with Kuale backup, Middle there is Fincher, with backup Foreman. And then there's Shanle,who improves every season at WSLB until Polley returns then will be backup, with Melton and Colby,too. So the only thing I see is that he starts at middle and they release Melton, who has the least stats and upside of them all, except for the rookie Kuale who they are high on and Fincher as well. But all in all, our LBing corp will be the best underrated one there is, not DomePatrol good but by next yr or a few we can count on it

RockyMountainSaint · 08-28-2006, 09:26 PM

"sense of entitlement"

Where have I heard this before?

LongTimeFan · 08-28-2006, 09:56 PM

Not a bad move on the Saints part being Stall only had one year left of his contract and everyone knows he wasn't going to get a new contract so why not trade him right now, a number three next year plus a LB isn't bad..
Simneaux might not have started every game for the Eagles but we all know he'll start for us...
I wish Stallworth all the luck..

08-28-2006, 08:44 PM	#11
wheelman Sammich Lover Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 682	Maybe we can package those three 4th round picks for a cornerback...
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08-28-2006, 09:16 PM	#16
GoldRush26 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 594	Honestly who does this come as a shock to? The writing has been on the wall for quite a while now. If you thought all of that talk about Payton not liking him and Stallworth being on the bubble was all fluff, then now you know better. I think a conditional 4th is perfect compensation and I would have accepted that by itself. Simoneau....i'm not crazy about him but he's better than some of what we have, which isn't saying much. Stallworth's departure will open up opportunities for Colston and Hass who have shined thus far. I like the move. Hopefully this will help rid the team of that "sense of entitlement" that some players on our team might have just because of where they were drafted. I do wish Stallworth well and hope he does well in Philly. I will be watching more Eagles highlights, but I think we made the right move in dumping himi.
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08-28-2006, 09:23 PM	#18
D24pick 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Orleans Posts: 578	Originally Posted by lumm0x As much as it pains me to see him leave, we got damn good value for him. Arguably he and Lelie are similar in performance value, and they are the same age and contract status. We did better for Donte than Denver did for Lelie. Simoneau and a guaranteed 4th, possibly a 3rd is pretty good actually. Simoneau can start or is very solid depth and Philly's pick will likely be better than Washington's as well. We made out good on him. Please stop comparing Stall's #'s with Lelie's....Obviously, we can see that Stall has improved, all Lelie has done was start off excellent then drop This now opens the door for the others who were on their way out like C.Horn or a Lance Moore, Moore who was surely gonna be a PS guy, but now has to fight with Lymaan to earn that last spot...With Stall gone, it'll take two guys to fill in that #2 spot. Which will be Colston and DH's job sharing time at #2, Hass will own his spot at #3...To me Jones has dropped on my list. He hasn't been all that impressive like he started off anymore, if he thinks that he has a spot locked up from the beginning, then hes wrong! If he can get back to how he was performing, then we have our 5th reciver, then there's the battle between Moore, Lymaan, and C.Horn About the trade, this could really turn out to be a smart one. Payton has come in and made some pretty impressive moves to improve this team. Mark has been a starter, a similar Fujita type player, although Stall was much younger, he brings leadership and pure skills to the table. Even though I would've prefered Jones or Trotter, this is still a very much upgrade on our D Another thing, Why did we get a LB?! We needed a CB, we are so weak at that position that we'll dominate at stopping the run but get passed on until our ears bleed. We can clearly see that our LBing corp was looking pretty good without Mark and his 3rd rounder, if any trade was a good one...We would've been better off getting a starting LB or a corner He definitely won't be a starter in my opinion, over who? Fujita is a stay with Kuale backup, Middle there is Fincher, with backup Foreman. And then there's Shanle,who improves every season at WSLB until Polley returns then will be backup, with Melton and Colby,too. So the only thing I see is that he starts at middle and they release Melton, who has the least stats and upside of them all, except for the rookie Kuale who they are high on and Fincher as well. But all in all, our LBing corp will be the best underrated one there is, not DomePatrol good but by next yr or a few we can count on it
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08-28-2006, 08:58 PM	#12
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	As much as it pains me to see him leave, we got damn good value for him. Arguably he and Lelie are similar in performance value, and they are the same age and contract status. We did better for Donte than Denver did for Lelie. Simoneau and a guaranteed 4th, possibly a 3rd is pretty good actually. Simoneau can start or is very solid depth and Philly's pick will likely be better than Washington's as well. We made out good on him.

08-28-2006, 09:07 PM	#13
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,223	Yeah, I bet he is one of Reid's all-time favorites! This is a guy who was given the starting job by Reid in 2003 and lost it right back in 2004 halfway through the season because they could not stop the run! Damn! Why doesn't Payton see that we need a (some) CB's? The run defense has not been nearly as bad as the pass defense. Oh well, maybe next year he will sign 10 or 15 CB's like he did with Safeties and LB's.

08-28-2006, 09:10 PM	#14
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Richland, MS. Posts: 2,295	See ya D-Stall. It was nice knowing you. I sure hope the Saints know what they are doing. I would not be surprised if Devery Henderson is next to go...

08-28-2006, 09:12 PM	#15
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Henderson doesn't have enough value to move right now. Only way he's leaving is by being cut I think.

08-28-2006, 09:21 PM	#17
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	I would not be surprised if Devery Henderson is next to go... Neither I. How long do you wait for a WR to learn to catch the ball?!?!

08-28-2006, 09:26 PM	#19
RockyMountainSaint Mmm That Smell! Join Date: Oct 1998 Location: Metairie Terrace Posts: 3,073	"sense of entitlement" Where have I heard this before?

08-28-2006, 09:56 PM	#20
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Not a bad move on the Saints part being Stall only had one year left of his contract and everyone knows he wasn't going to get a new contract so why not trade him right now, a number three next year plus a LB isn't bad.. Simneaux might not have started every game for the Eagles but we all know he'll start for us... I wish Stallworth all the luck..