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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I'll say it again...it was a character issue.... good people, good character, and good work ethic will get us where we need to be. I'm glad Smith, and Stalls, and all the other big money, big attitude, no guts playas ...

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Old 08-29-2006, 02:20 AM   #41
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I'll say it again...it was a character issue.... good people, good character, and good work ethic will get us where we need to be. I'm glad Smith, and Stalls, and all the other big money, big attitude, no guts playas are gone. I think we are well on the way to righting the ship.....Colston and some of these young receivers are hungry...and Hungry is GOOD!!!!!!!
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Old 08-29-2006, 06:20 AM   #42
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For what it's worth, I think we got some pretty good production out of Stallworth in his years here. Yes he did have some drops, but I think that his hands are getting a little better. Like I said in an earlier post, the biggest reason for the trade is that we weren't going to offer him a big FA contract after this year because he wasn't the leader at WR we could build around like Horn. We need the $ to spend on defense and I bet now that Donte is gone, Reggie Bush will line up at WR more often. We got ok value for him, considering he was in the last year of his contract we weren't going to get much better. BTW, does anyone know what Simoneau's contract value/length is?

The thing I don't like about the trade is that now we have to throw Colston or Jamal Jones into the fire and start them at WR. If we had kept Stallworth, we would have had more time to groom one of our young WR's to start next year.

I hope Stall does well in Philly and I'm thinking McNabb and him will work well together as the season goes on. Bummer though, I've now got a fantasy team w/ both Philly WR's Reggie Brown and Stallworth.
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Old 08-29-2006, 07:22 AM   #43
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I hope Stall does well in Philly and I'm thinking McNabb and him will work well together as the season goes on. Bummer though, I've now got a fantasy team w/ both Philly WR's Reggie Brown and Stallworth.
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Old 08-29-2006, 07:57 AM   #44
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http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunhera...s/15386022.htm

Interesting comments in this article,

"The fast impression of 2006 seventh-round pick Marques Colston, Payton said, made dealing Stallworth a bit easier. When asked if Colston would be the No. 2 receiver, Payton said, "Right now, no question."

"Despite the need for a solid middle linebacker, Simoneau wasn't the main incentive for the deal. The draft pick was priority No. 1."

"That's how it started," Payton said. "The player was an additional part of the deal, which helps us. But more importantly, the beginning process of the talks, the draft pick was definitely something we were looking for."

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Old 08-29-2006, 08:22 AM   #45
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I was trying to leave New Orleans yesterday morning when our plane was pulled back to the gate. We were told it was bad weather by the pilot, but when I called my brother, he said it was because there was a bomb at Philly Airport. We were released to continue our journey when Stallworth dropped it.
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Old 08-29-2006, 08:28 AM   #46
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How does our number one receiver from 2005 go for a conditional 2nd day pick and a backup linebacker who's not started in 18 months? I see everyone's "justification", but I'm not that convinced that holding him until after the roster cuts doesn't improve his trade value. Also, if I were less than enamored of someone who might have substantial trade value, I shut the F*&K up about my displeasure so I didn't undermine my ability to get full value for him. I didn't think there was much foot to shoot off, but we continue to find more.

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Old 08-29-2006, 08:45 AM   #47
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The value chart is for deals concerning players in the future. For players that have been around, their performance is what determines their value, regardless of what spot they were drafted in. By that reasoning you would expect more for Ernie Conwell than Antonio Gates. The market value is what you can get. As long as he has been rumored on the block I do not doubt they took the best deal available. I liked him overall, but I do think he is closer to the 1st rd disappointment of Lelie that cost backup running back Duckett than the 2nd pick former AllPro Walker garnered.

His numbers may go up too. From Brooks to a solid QB most would. I think you'll still see the bobbling and drops though. Some receivers have incredible tools of size or speed but are lacking in that most essential element.

With it looking like a keepable WR or two was going to be cut I think it was a wise roster management move. As quoted, it was about the draft pick. Simoneau is lagniappe. At 29 I don't count him as quite ancient yet. He did have 100 tackles just two years ago. Just like Shanle, maybe not an AllPro but certainly an upgrade from the days of Hodge starting. LB isn't a team strength yet. It is nice to hear people point to other areas as the biggest hole for a change. That's progress. Or at least as some have noticed, the FO is no longer just sitting on their butts and keep losing the same way. That was a major beef with Haz... How far did we have to go down before Brooks was pulled? The LBs were NEVER properly addressed. How many of the same great athlete/poor football players did we keep accumulating? The presnap penalties increased from year to year. Etc, etc, etc. If you are gonna go 8-8 virtually 4 straight years at least shake it up and don't keep failing the same way.

Rant done.
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a mid grade lb for stall and nothing for d. smith.......should have packaged them together and got something good
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Old 08-29-2006, 08:55 AM   #49
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we all knew it would happen. i do not have the link but a Horn statement went something like this:
I lost two good friends from the team today.....With Donte I take some of the blame upon myself. I should of taught him to be more professional. If he was he would still be here.
That sums it up in a nut shell. It was not so much skills as attitude.
now a 4 that could be a 3 is a good deal. heck McNair only got a 4. The addition of a seasoned vet that can play and has played all 3 LB positions, as a starter, is a great throw in. Fast and covers in space very well is a big addition. He is a special teams demon, and has kicked a PAT or two to boot. The salaries are probly part of the reason he was added and the conditional pick accepted. he has 2 years left that pay him 1.1 and .95 million
So long donte and the best of luck. remeber once a saint always saint.
The bet is still on with some people here on dontes 06 performance. i still would like to loss the bet but he will drop enough passes to be a NFL lead leader. Once again keeping him from being among the elites of the game if his hammie does not go again. a shame
now I am worried if my boy hass will make it. well KC will show alot now that donte's sales auddition is over.
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Old 08-29-2006, 09:42 AM   #50
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2564338

From this story Joe Horn seems to indicate that Sall was being a butthead. I think Payton has made it clear that regardless of talent if you demonstate your ablity to be an ass your history.

And on a team where ablity is as rare as winning that is saying something!
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