shockey to saints trade stalls.. Update on Pg 11

lsutigerfan · 04-10-2008, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by pakowitz

SHOCKEY TO SAINTS STILL SIMMERING?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 10, 2008, 9:02 a.m.
Last month, there were rumors and reports of discussions between the New Orleans Saints and New York Giants regarding a possible trade that would send tight end Jeremy Shockey from Broadway to the Bayou.

As we’d last heard it, the Giants wanted a second-round pick and safety Roman Harper, and the Saints declined.

But now renewed talk of a possible trade is emerging, from an unlikely source. Several readers have pointed out to us that WWE announcer Jim Ross has posted the following entry on his blog: “Reggie Bush was also at [WrestleMania] 24 and was hanging around Snoop Dogg’s trailer most of the afternoon on Sunday. My sources tell me that the New York Giants are going to trade outstanding TE Jeremy Shockey to Bush’s Saints, prior to the NFL draft. Shockey is an Oklahoma kid from Ada who told me last week he was looking forward to playing for the Saints.”

Shockey has been the subject of extensive speculation, given that he played no role in the team’s stunning postseason run. Some believe that Eli Manning never would have become a championship-caliber quarterback is Shockey had not been injured..

Hey Pak what are the Saints willing to trade to get him here?

lynwood · 04-10-2008, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

All I can say is be careful what you wish for? Brees may be able to get into his face...but he will have no way of retrieving the ball that he just let go towards the sideline as Shockey cuts toward the post.

I'm not sure where I saw this, so I could be wrong, but I believe that Shockey can count up to his wonderlic score without taking his shoes off.

Speaking of shoes...with a wonderlic score like his, he may be losing a lot of money on Bourbon St. until he catches on and says, "On my feet."

Yeah I feel for that one a long time ago. Little bas****s

pakowitz · 04-10-2008, 12:45 PM

being that the trades for pretty prominent players have been going for 2nd round picks.. my best guess is that they would give up that much but it wouldnt surprise me at all if they only offered a 3rd round pick in the hopes that the Gmen asked for a 2nd instead but ended up asking for the 2nd and Harper.. and the saints saw that as too much...

i could see the deal going down like this:

saints get shockey and the Gmens 3rd round pick (95 overall)

gmen get saints 2nd round pick (40 overall) and 3rd round pick (78 overall)

giants get a high 2nd and get to move up in the 3rd and remove what they deem to be a cancer to Eli Mannings ability to QB

johnnythesaint13 · 04-10-2008, 12:52 PM

I said this idea a few weeks ago...but it went unnoticed...Maybe there's mileage in it afterall. There's probably someone on here with a draft-value chart that would contradict it, but I can still see it happen.

If the Saints can swing a pre-draft trade for Shockey, switching our 1st round pick with theirs. Then turn around and get Haynesworth for the 31st overall pick, then they will have 2 immediate difference makers, that they can sign now, and it only cost them their 1st round pick.

We'd still have the #40 overall pick to go after a LB or RB (depending on Mcallisters physical) Just think about it...

pakowitz · 04-10-2008, 01:10 PM

just another tidbit.. shockeys contract is really cap friendly..

2008 - $2.225 million
2009 - $3.25 million
2010 - $3.825 million
2011 - $4.508 million

*Beginning in 2006, there is a clause in the contract that can reduce the base contract by up to $300,000 a year if certain performance levels are not met.

thats not bad at all for a probowl caliber TE

from JeremyShockey.info - Jeremy Shockey's New Contract

another thing to note, since being drafted in 2002, he has been voted to the probowl 4 times, in 6 seasons, averaging 62 catches per year for his career.. and considering everyone says he is always injured... he has only missed 3 or more games in a single season once in his career (2003) he missed 2 reg season games and the playoffs this season b/c of a broken leg

pakowitz · 04-10-2008, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by johnnythesaint13

I said this idea a few weeks ago...but it went unnoticed...Maybe there's mileage in it afterall. There's probably someone on here with a draft-value chart that would contradict it, but I can still see it happen.

If the Saints can swing a pre-draft trade for Shockey, switching our 1st round pick with theirs. Then turn around and get Haynesworth for the 31st overall pick, then they will have 2 immediate difference makers, that they can sign now, and it only cost them their 1st round pick.

We'd still have the #40 overall pick to go after a LB or RB (depending on Mcallisters physical) Just think about it...

i dont think the titans would trade haynesworth for that.. considering he is young and one of the best DTs in the league which is one of the hardest positions to find really good players at

SoulStar · 04-10-2008, 02:42 PM

It's a little funny when people say Shockey is a cancer, but Hanyesworth has been arrested four times since he went to the Titans....and oh lets not forget that you tried to step on a man's *without his helmet on* while on the field two years ago.

beauchristopher · 04-10-2008, 06:55 PM

yeah shockey would never be as dirty as haynesworth. he'd take his helmet off himself and want to go fist for fist.
but seriously.. i'm not for or against this. i just don't want it to affect our draft too much.

TheDeuce · 04-10-2008, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by beauchristopher

yeah shockey would never be as dirty as haynesworth. he'd take his helmet off himself and want to go fist for fist.
but seriously.. i'm not for or against this. i just don't want it to affect our draft too much.

Don't want it to affect our draft too much? What does that mean? The draft is a tool for helping the franchise, and adding a Pro Bowl playmaker helps the franchise. I'd say completely forfeit all of our picks if we can get proven guys like Shockey or Lito Sheppard.

Ashley · 04-10-2008, 11:39 PM

What the hell, i've changed my mind. BRING him on ! Geaux Saints !

04-10-2008, 11:55 AM	#31
lsutigerfan 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: born And raised in NOLA, now live in Los Angeles Posts: 811	Re: shockey to saints? Originally Posted by pakowitz SHOCKEY TO SAINTS STILL SIMMERING? Posted by Mike Florio on April 10, 2008, 9:02 a.m. Last month, there were rumors and reports of discussions between the New Orleans Saints and New York Giants regarding a possible trade that would send tight end Jeremy Shockey from Broadway to the Bayou. As we’d last heard it, the Giants wanted a second-round pick and safety Roman Harper, and the Saints declined. But now renewed talk of a possible trade is emerging, from an unlikely source. Several readers have pointed out to us that WWE announcer Jim Ross has posted the following entry on his blog: “Reggie Bush was also at [WrestleMania] 24 and was hanging around Snoop Dogg’s trailer most of the afternoon on Sunday. My sources tell me that the New York Giants are going to trade outstanding TE Jeremy Shockey to Bush’s Saints, prior to the NFL draft. Shockey is an Oklahoma kid from Ada who told me last week he was looking forward to playing for the Saints.” Shockey has been the subject of extensive speculation, given that he played no role in the team’s stunning postseason run. Some believe that Eli Manning never would have become a championship-caliber quarterback is Shockey had not been injured.. Hey Pak what are the Saints willing to trade to get him here?

04-10-2008, 12:40 PM	#32
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Re: shockey to saints? Originally Posted by Saint_LB All I can say is be careful what you wish for? Brees may be able to get into his face...but he will have no way of retrieving the ball that he just let go towards the sideline as Shockey cuts toward the post. I'm not sure where I saw this, so I could be wrong, but I believe that Shockey can count up to his wonderlic score without taking his shoes off. Speaking of shoes...with a wonderlic score like his, he may be losing a lot of money on Bourbon St. until he catches on and says, "On my feet." Yeah I feel for that one a long time ago. Little bas****s
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04-10-2008, 12:45 PM	#33
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: shockey to saints? updated on pg 3 being that the trades for pretty prominent players have been going for 2nd round picks.. my best guess is that they would give up that much but it wouldnt surprise me at all if they only offered a 3rd round pick in the hopes that the Gmen asked for a 2nd instead but ended up asking for the 2nd and Harper.. and the saints saw that as too much... i could see the deal going down like this: saints get shockey and the Gmens 3rd round pick (95 overall) gmen get saints 2nd round pick (40 overall) and 3rd round pick (78 overall) giants get a high 2nd and get to move up in the 3rd and remove what they deem to be a cancer to Eli Mannings ability to QB
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04-10-2008, 12:52 PM	#34
johnnythesaint13 Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2	Re: shockey to saints? updated on pg 3 I said this idea a few weeks ago...but it went unnoticed...Maybe there's mileage in it afterall. There's probably someone on here with a draft-value chart that would contradict it, but I can still see it happen. If the Saints can swing a pre-draft trade for Shockey, switching our 1st round pick with theirs. Then turn around and get Haynesworth for the 31st overall pick, then they will have 2 immediate difference makers, that they can sign now, and it only cost them their 1st round pick. We'd still have the #40 overall pick to go after a LB or RB (depending on Mcallisters physical) Just think about it...
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04-10-2008, 01:10 PM	#35
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: shockey to saints? updated on pg 3 just another tidbit.. shockeys contract is really cap friendly.. 2008 - $2.225 million 2009 - $3.25 million 2010 - $3.825 million 2011 - $4.508 million *Beginning in 2006, there is a clause in the contract that can reduce the base contract by up to $300,000 a year if certain performance levels are not met. thats not bad at all for a probowl caliber TE from JeremyShockey.info - Jeremy Shockey's New Contract another thing to note, since being drafted in 2002, he has been voted to the probowl 4 times, in 6 seasons, averaging 62 catches per year for his career.. and considering everyone says he is always injured... he has only missed 3 or more games in a single season once in his career (2003) he missed 2 reg season games and the playoffs this season b/c of a broken leg
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04-10-2008, 01:12 PM	#36
pakowitz The Dark Overlord Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,450	Re: shockey to saints? updated on pg 3 Originally Posted by johnnythesaint13 I said this idea a few weeks ago...but it went unnoticed...Maybe there's mileage in it afterall. There's probably someone on here with a draft-value chart that would contradict it, but I can still see it happen. If the Saints can swing a pre-draft trade for Shockey, switching our 1st round pick with theirs. Then turn around and get Haynesworth for the 31st overall pick, then they will have 2 immediate difference makers, that they can sign now, and it only cost them their 1st round pick. We'd still have the #40 overall pick to go after a LB or RB (depending on Mcallisters physical) Just think about it... i dont think the titans would trade haynesworth for that.. considering he is young and one of the best DTs in the league which is one of the hardest positions to find really good players at

04-10-2008, 02:42 PM	#37
SoulStar 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arlington Tx Posts: 157	Re: shockey to saints? updated on pg 3 It's a little funny when people say Shockey is a cancer, but Hanyesworth has been arrested four times since he went to the Titans....and oh lets not forget that you tried to step on a man's without his helmet on while on the field two years ago.

04-10-2008, 06:55 PM	#38
beauchristopher 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 227	Re: shockey to saints? updated on pg 3 yeah shockey would never be as dirty as haynesworth. he'd take his helmet off himself and want to go fist for fist. but seriously.. i'm not for or against this. i just don't want it to affect our draft too much.

04-10-2008, 08:57 PM	#39
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: shockey to saints? updated on pg 3 Originally Posted by beauchristopher yeah shockey would never be as dirty as haynesworth. he'd take his helmet off himself and want to go fist for fist. but seriously.. i'm not for or against this. i just don't want it to affect our draft too much. Don't want it to affect our draft too much? What does that mean? The draft is a tool for helping the franchise, and adding a Pro Bowl playmaker helps the franchise. I'd say completely forfeit all of our picks if we can get proven guys like Shockey or Lito Sheppard.
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04-10-2008, 11:39 PM	#40
Ashley Site Donor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Co Posts: 2,760	Re: shockey to saints? updated on pg 3 What the hell, i've changed my mind. BRING him on ! Geaux Saints !