shockey to saints trade stalls.. Update on Pg 11

hagan714 · 04-18-2008, 07:03 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

I'd rather snag Dajuan Morgan in the 2nd round than Phillips.

bingo. I would take lowery and convert him over Phillips

LordOfEntropy · 04-19-2008, 07:19 AM

Well, -if- we tray away Harper, which I still don't like, then we'd better (damn well better) keep the 2nd round pick to bring in another safety. So forget all thoughts of packaging it up for a trade for Dorsey. And I'm betting Philips will be gone by our 2nd rounder, so we could forget about him unless we move up.

The thought of starting an untested rookie back there, paired up with KK, just scares me half to death. Sorry Papz, I don't agree that Bullocks should be a starter. I respect your opinion, but on this one I choose to respectfully disagree.

maximkat · 04-19-2008, 10:08 AM

don't see this anywhere, and i figured we have enough Shockey threads, but here is an interesting story i thought you all might like to read

Shockey wants new role or trade - NJ.com

papz · 04-19-2008, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy

Well, -if- we tray away Harper, which I still don't like, then we'd better (damn well better) keep the 2nd round pick to bring in another safety. So forget all thoughts of packaging it up for a trade for Dorsey. And I'm betting Philips will be gone by our 2nd rounder, so we could forget about him unless we move up.

The thought of starting an untested rookie back there, paired up with KK, just scares me half to death. Sorry Papz, I don't agree that Bullocks should be a starter. I respect your opinion, but on this one I choose to respectfully disagree.

And understandably so... Bullocks was extremely inconsistent and played very poorly at times. But, as did Harper.

CantonLegend · 04-19-2008, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by papz

And understandably so... Bullocks was extremely inconsistent and played very poorly at times. But, as did Harper.

Granted Josh Bullocks has been in the league and Roman Harper was only a "true starter" in '07. Harper was a great pickup in the second round. Imagine how bad it would've been without him there....back to the subject tho.....Shockey would be a great addition because he is not only a top notch reciever...but because of that he takes blitzers off Drew and takes spies off reggie....reggie would be able to run up the middle because of the play action threat of Shockey.

winmill1 · 04-20-2008, 12:23 AM

I just do not want to hurt our defense at all, but I am a huge Billy Miller fan. I think he is and was the best TE on our roster. I think he has major play making ability. I think if our defense is better then we will be a contender. If we wanted to trade for a big time play maker we should have made the trade for Deangelo Hall, or another bigtime DEFENSE playmaker.

BiggieX · 04-21-2008, 03:24 PM

For some reason it always seems that any TE the Saints have had in recent times has been cursed. Cam Cleeland was always injured, the TE from Detroit didn't last, then Boo Williams, currently Eric Johnson. Billy Miller did pretty well when he had the opportunities. I would hate to see Harper go.

Stick with the TE's we currently have, keep Harper, and keep the focus on defense.

Euphoria · 04-21-2008, 03:32 PM

The worse thing I guess can happen is Shockey gets hurt and we go on to win the SB, without him.

pakowitz · 04-21-2008, 05:31 PM

Shockey wants new role or trade
Posted: Saturday April 19, 2008 07:34AM ET
The prevailing theory regarding the Giants and Jeremy Shockey is the team learned during its Super Bowl run they no longer need the Pro Bowl tight end. Truth is, Shockey made the first move toward a separation. And he did so before the playoffs even began. Shockey told the Giants in December he wanted a changed role in the offense or a trade to another team, according to a person familiar with discussions between Shockey, the Giants' coaching staff and front office. The person said Shockey threatened to sit out the upcoming season if neither request was granted. Shockey, 27, who suffered a broken fibula in a Dec. 16 loss to the Redskins, feels his career is being cut short by all the blocking he has been asked to do since Tom Coughlin became coach of the Giants in 2004. While blocking is an integral part of a tight end's job description, Shockey believes he was more effective as a receiver under former coach Jim Fassel and offensive coordinator Sean Payton, now the coach of the Saints, who are interested in trading for Shockey

o1higuy · 04-21-2008, 05:45 PM

I understand what people are saying about Eli making mistakes because he is worried about getting the ball to Shockey. Lets be real and compare leadership skills of Brees compared to Eli. I think Drew is the leader of this team and will be the leader regardless of who he has to throw to. Drew can handle Shockey's personality. Eli is just too passive to deal with him. If Shockey can fit in anywhere it is here. At first I was opposed to him coming here. After thinking about the differences in the two QB's I have changed that opinion.

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Re: shockey to saints? New Update on Page 6!! Originally Posted by LordOfEntropy Well, -if- we tray away Harper, which I still don't like, then we'd better (damn well better) keep the 2nd round pick to bring in another safety. So forget all thoughts of packaging it up for a trade for Dorsey. And I'm betting Philips will be gone by our 2nd rounder, so we could forget about him unless we move up. The thought of starting an untested rookie back there, paired up with KK, just scares me half to death. Sorry Papz, I don't agree that Bullocks should be a starter. I respect your opinion, but on this one I choose to respectfully disagree. And understandably so... Bullocks was extremely inconsistent and played very poorly at times. But, as did Harper.

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04-21-2008, 03:24 PM	#77
BiggieX Rookie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 16	Re: shockey to saints? New Update on Page 6!! For some reason it always seems that any TE the Saints have had in recent times has been cursed. Cam Cleeland was always injured, the TE from Detroit didn't last, then Boo Williams, currently Eric Johnson. Billy Miller did pretty well when he had the opportunities. I would hate to see Harper go. Stick with the TE's we currently have, keep Harper, and keep the focus on defense.

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o1higuy 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 189	Re: shockey to saints? New Update on Page 6!! I understand what people are saying about Eli making mistakes because he is worried about getting the ball to Shockey. Lets be real and compare leadership skills of Brees compared to Eli. I think Drew is the leader of this team and will be the leader regardless of who he has to throw to. Drew can handle Shockey's personality. Eli is just too passive to deal with him. If Shockey can fit in anywhere it is here. At first I was opposed to him coming here. After thinking about the differences in the two QB's I have changed that opinion.
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