Why Is the Defense So Bad?

SaintFanQ · 10-29-2012, 05:29 PM

What really hurt was when I watched the NFL.com highlights clip this morning and at one point, about a third of the way through the clip, the Denver player, Thomas makes a big gain and the analyst just says, "is the Saints cornerback even trying"!!!!! Man, that just about sums it up!!!!

We are ranked dead last on Defence, its just heartbreaking to watch! If only we could bring back the Dome Patrol!!!!

Drew was trying his best IMO but he must be tempted to start thinking about that fact that as soon as he passes for a score he just knows the opposition are going to score on their next series, almost every time. That must be a bitter pill to swallow!

Lets hope we can get a better performance from the team in the next two home games!!!!!

jeanpierre · 10-29-2012, 10:36 PM

The big plays allowed by the safeties are a big part of the problem; that said...

When building/rebuilding a defense, it does start at the line of scrimmage...

Now is Hicks a Starter, Rotation, or Role Player? Let's get him even more pt and find out...

Danno · 10-30-2012, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

The big plays allowed by the safeties are a big part of the problem;..

No, they aren't a BIG part of the problem.

How many big plays are you talking about? One, two?

jeanpierre · 10-31-2012, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

No, they aren't a BIG part of the problem.

How many big plays are you talking about? One, two?

Okay Roman, or is it Malcolm? Come clean and tell us who you are...

Have you not seen Harper and Jenkins getting simply beat these past years?

Just watch the last two playoff losses where the opposition scores.

jeanpierre · 10-30-2012, 05:40 AM

I found the title of this article painfully laughable...

Saints defensive brain trust knows it has work to do | Shreveporttimes | shreveporttimes.com

"...according to STATS LLC New Orleans is the first team to give up 400 or more yards in seven consecutive games since 1950."

UK_WhoDat · 10-30-2012, 02:38 PM

Plainly?

Lack of. Period

pherein · 10-30-2012, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat

Plainly?

Lack of. Period

I completely agree they played like 11 year old girls.

At What Age Do Girls Get Their Periods? How Long Does Menstruation Last?

FinSaint · 10-31-2012, 09:43 PM

I've got to say that Harper has surprised me with some very good coverage on numerous passing plays and in multiple games, also he had that INT against the Bucs which was taken away by the refs.

Naturally, I'd like them to have a safety like the '09 Sharper on their roster, but those type of players are unfortunately few and far between.

The thing that frustrates about Jenkins is that he plays very slow - never mind the Jackson caught-from-behind play - and that he seems to whiff on more tackles than anyone in the secondary.

jeanpierre · 10-31-2012, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

...Harper has surprised me with some very good coverage on numerous passing plays...also he had that INT against the Bucs which was taken away by the refs.

It's pretty bad when you're surprised with good coverage...tells you how low the bar is set for the Saints defensive backs...

FinSaint · 11-01-2012, 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

It's pretty bad when you're surprised with good coverage...tells you how low the bar is set for the Saints defensive backs...

The surprise comes more from the warped perception one easily gets from reading posts here about how Harper can't cover anybody in the backfield, while in fact, Danno has posted stats in the past that show that Harper is in fact quite good in coverage against opposing TEs.

I'm not saying that he has been a superstar in the backfield, just that I've been pleasantly surprised by him at times - but let down at other times.

View Poll Results: What Is/Are the Biggest Problems With the Saints' Defense?
Lack of Talent on Defensive Line	24	39.34%
Lack of Talent at Cornerback	5	8.20%
Lack of Talent at Safety	3	4.92%
Scheme, still need time to learn	16	26.23%
Commitment to 1st Rounders, FA Contracts, Need Young Guns to Play	3	4.92%
Lack of Running Game, Puts Defense on Field to Much	10	16.39%
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10-29-2012, 05:29 PM	#1
SaintFanQ Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Leicester, England Posts: 801	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? What really hurt was when I watched the NFL.com highlights clip this morning and at one point, about a third of the way through the clip, the Denver player, Thomas makes a big gain and the analyst just says, "is the Saints cornerback even trying"!!!!! Man, that just about sums it up!!!! We are ranked dead last on Defence, its just heartbreaking to watch! If only we could bring back the Dome Patrol!!!! Drew was trying his best IMO but he must be tempted to start thinking about that fact that as soon as he passes for a score he just knows the opposition are going to score on their next series, almost every time. That must be a bitter pill to swallow! Lets hope we can get a better performance from the team in the next two home games!!!!!

10-29-2012, 10:36 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? The big plays allowed by the safeties are a big part of the problem; that said... When building/rebuilding a defense, it does start at the line of scrimmage... Now is Hicks a Starter, Rotation, or Role Player? Let's get him even more pt and find out...
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10-30-2012, 02:19 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,756	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by jeanpierre The big plays allowed by the safeties are a big part of the problem;.. No, they aren't a BIG part of the problem. How many big plays are you talking about? One, two?

10-31-2012, 09:21 PM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by Danno No, they aren't a BIG part of the problem. How many big plays are you talking about? One, two? Okay Roman, or is it Malcolm? Come clean and tell us who you are... Have you not seen Harper and Jenkins getting simply beat these past years? Just watch the last two playoff losses where the opposition scores.

10-30-2012, 05:40 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? I found the title of this article painfully laughable... Saints defensive brain trust knows it has work to do \| Shreveporttimes \| shreveporttimes.com "...according to STATS LLC New Orleans is the first team to give up 400 or more yards in seven consecutive games since 1950."

10-30-2012, 02:38 PM	#6
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 4,001	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Plainly? Lack of. Period

10-30-2012, 10:26 PM	#7
pherein failclownHunter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: N.O. and V.A. Posts: 2,260 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by UK_WhoDat Plainly? Lack of. Period I completely agree they played like 11 year old girls. At What Age Do Girls Get Their Periods? How Long Does Menstruation Last?
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10-31-2012, 09:43 PM	#8
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? I've got to say that Harper has surprised me with some very good coverage on numerous passing plays and in multiple games, also he had that INT against the Bucs which was taken away by the refs. Naturally, I'd like them to have a safety like the '09 Sharper on their roster, but those type of players are unfortunately few and far between. The thing that frustrates about Jenkins is that he plays very slow - never mind the Jackson caught-from-behind play - and that he seems to whiff on more tackles than anyone in the secondary.

10-31-2012, 11:06 PM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by FinSaint ...Harper has surprised me with some very good coverage on numerous passing plays...also he had that INT against the Bucs which was taken away by the refs. It's pretty bad when you're surprised with good coverage...tells you how low the bar is set for the Saints defensive backs...

11-01-2012, 04:08 AM	#10
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,963	Re: Why Is the Defense So Bad? Originally Posted by jeanpierre It's pretty bad when you're surprised with good coverage...tells you how low the bar is set for the Saints defensive backs... The surprise comes more from the warped perception one easily gets from reading posts here about how Harper can't cover anybody in the backfield, while in fact, Danno has posted stats in the past that show that Harper is in fact quite good in coverage against opposing TEs. I'm not saying that he has been a superstar in the backfield, just that I've been pleasantly surprised by him at times - but let down at other times.

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