Khiry Robinson runs nasty

xan · 09-23-2013, 04:26 PM

I don't understand how anyone could be excited about the "performance" Robinson put out in the last, meaningless drive of a game that was over 2 series before. Would my grandmother gotten the same level of props, because she's dead and I know she could have hit the holes just as fast.

Further, all you MI haters are transparently twofaced when presented the facts that neither Sproles nor PI could run in any game this season either.

Face it, it's an o-line and scheme problem, not an RB problem. For some reason that escapes Payton and his staff, nobody, NOBODY is fooled by our pitiful excuses for disguises of run plays.

Utah_Saint · 09-23-2013, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by xan

I don't understand how anyone could be excited about the "performance" Robinson put out in the last, meaningless drive of a game that was over 2 series before. Would my grandmother gotten the same level of props, because she's dead and I know she could have hit the holes just as fast.

Further, all you MI haters are transparently twofaced when presented the facts that neither Sproles nor PI could run in any game this season either.

Face it, it's an o-line and scheme problem, not an RB problem. For some reason that escapes Payton and his staff, nobody, NOBODY is fooled by our pitiful excuses for disguises of run plays.

2013
Pierre Thomas - 4.0 ypa
Darren Sproles - 3.6 ypa
Mark Ingram - 1.8 ypa
Your grandma - no carries

2012
Pierre Thomas - 4.5 ypa
Darren Sproles - 5.1 ypa
Mark Ingram - 3.9 ypa
Your grandma - no carries

2011
Pierre Thomas - 5.1 ypa
Darren Sproles - 6.9 ypa
Mark Ingram 3.9 ypa
Your grandma - no carries.

I think the problem may be your grandma.

SaintsBro · 09-23-2013, 04:46 PM

The Lions just called -- I think they want to sign your grandma.

dueceloose · 09-23-2013, 05:09 PM

Not cool to talk bad about the dead.. I believe that Khiry just gives us hope kinda like a shiny new toy when your tired of the old one. Khiry may fall short like MI but I like others want togive him tthat chance.

saintsfan1976 · 09-23-2013, 05:17 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

2013
Pierre Thomas - 4.0 ypa
Darren Sproles - 3.6 ypa
Mark Ingram - 1.8 ypa
Your grandma - no carries

2012
Pierre Thomas - 4.5 ypa
Darren Sproles - 5.1 ypa
Mark Ingram - 3.9 ypa
Your grandma - no carries

2011
Pierre Thomas - 5.1 ypa
Darren Sproles - 6.9 ypa
Mark Ingram 3.9 ypa
Your grandma - no carries.

I think the problem may be your grandma.

Are these stats through 3 games of each season?

neugey · 09-23-2013, 05:40 PM

Payton is taking baby steps with Khiry and it's good coaching. He now has some successful garbage time action. Perhaps the next step is just to throw him in for a carry or two in power sets in the first or second quarter as a quick change of pace. See how he does. Then try him in a few short-yardage situations and see how he responds. Then if he does well, start using him more frequently in the first half and power-run with him on first and second downs until we reach a third down, then switch to PT/Sproles for the rest of the drive. Toward the end of the season, begin to slowly find out if he can catch and pass-protect. That is essentially what we did with Ivory from what I remember.

Utah_Saint · 09-23-2013, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Are these stats through 3 games of each season?

2011 and 12 are entire seasons. 2013 is just the first two games. It's pretty easy to get those first 3 games of the season but I need to at least pretend I'm working. I'll get those numbers later.

Utah_Saint · 09-23-2013, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Payton is taking baby steps with Khiry and it's good coaching. He now has some successful garbage time action. Perhaps the next step is just to throw him in for a carry or two in power sets in the first or second quarter as a quick change of pace. See how he does. Then try him in a few short-yardage situations and see how he responds. Then if he does well, start using him more frequently in the first half and power-run with him on first and second downs until we reach a third down, then switch to PT/Sproles for the rest of the drive. Toward the end of the season, begin to slowly find out if he can catch and pass-protect. That is essentially what we did with Ivory from what I remember.

Just my opinion,
I think pass protection comes first. If we only bring him in to run the ball, every team will stack the box against him. I think that's part of Ingram's problem. And if he can't pass protect when he's supposed to, then we don't want him back there.

halloween 65 · 09-23-2013, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by SaintsBro

And have him fumble on the 4, and have Arizona tie the game? No thanks. Sorry, that would be an absolutely terrible coaching move, to give the ball to an undrafted rookie who has NEVER PLAYED A SNAP IN A REAL FOOTBALL GAME BEFORE, in that situation, on your own 4 yard line like that.They would be ripping his head off, trying to stand him up and strip the ball. Putting him in at the end of the game was LOW RISK HIGH REWARD, and I'm sorry but that is good coaching. Putting Khiry in on the 4 yard line is HIGH RISK LOW REWARD, the exact opposite of what kind of situations you want to put him in.

They are all rookies at one time, drafted or not and the sooner you put it in their hands to see them in action the better. If it was 4th and inches with the game on the line I had rather put it in someones hands before pass but that's just me I like smash mouth football. Either way you make it or you don't, rookie or vet. I say play the guy now!!

Luda34 · 09-23-2013, 06:20 PM

What took the Saints so look to put him in the game

09-23-2013, 04:26 PM	#61
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,371 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty I don't understand how anyone could be excited about the "performance" Robinson put out in the last, meaningless drive of a game that was over 2 series before. Would my grandmother gotten the same level of props, because she's dead and I know she could have hit the holes just as fast. Further, all you MI haters are transparently twofaced when presented the facts that neither Sproles nor PI could run in any game this season either. Face it, it's an o-line and scheme problem, not an RB problem. For some reason that escapes Payton and his staff, nobody, NOBODY is fooled by our pitiful excuses for disguises of run plays. Danno and ScottF like this.
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09-23-2013, 04:43 PM	#62
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by xan I don't understand how anyone could be excited about the "performance" Robinson put out in the last, meaningless drive of a game that was over 2 series before. Would my grandmother gotten the same level of props, because she's dead and I know she could have hit the holes just as fast. Further, all you MI haters are transparently twofaced when presented the facts that neither Sproles nor PI could run in any game this season either. Face it, it's an o-line and scheme problem, not an RB problem. For some reason that escapes Payton and his staff, nobody, NOBODY is fooled by our pitiful excuses for disguises of run plays. 2013 Pierre Thomas - 4.0 ypa Darren Sproles - 3.6 ypa Mark Ingram - 1.8 ypa Your grandma - no carries 2012 Pierre Thomas - 4.5 ypa Darren Sproles - 5.1 ypa Mark Ingram - 3.9 ypa Your grandma - no carries 2011 Pierre Thomas - 5.1 ypa Darren Sproles - 6.9 ypa Mark Ingram 3.9 ypa Your grandma - no carries. I think the problem may be your grandma. xan likes this.

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09-23-2013, 05:17 PM	#65
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,846 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by Utah_Saint 2013 Pierre Thomas - 4.0 ypa Darren Sproles - 3.6 ypa Mark Ingram - 1.8 ypa Your grandma - no carries 2012 Pierre Thomas - 4.5 ypa Darren Sproles - 5.1 ypa Mark Ingram - 3.9 ypa Your grandma - no carries 2011 Pierre Thomas - 5.1 ypa Darren Sproles - 6.9 ypa Mark Ingram 3.9 ypa Your grandma - no carries. I think the problem may be your grandma. Are these stats through 3 games of each season?

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09-23-2013, 05:40 PM	#66
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,715 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Payton is taking baby steps with Khiry and it's good coaching. He now has some successful garbage time action. Perhaps the next step is just to throw him in for a carry or two in power sets in the first or second quarter as a quick change of pace. See how he does. Then try him in a few short-yardage situations and see how he responds. Then if he does well, start using him more frequently in the first half and power-run with him on first and second downs until we reach a third down, then switch to PT/Sproles for the rest of the drive. Toward the end of the season, begin to slowly find out if he can catch and pass-protect. That is essentially what we did with Ivory from what I remember.

09-23-2013, 05:44 PM	#67
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Are these stats through 3 games of each season? 2011 and 12 are entire seasons. 2013 is just the first two games. It's pretty easy to get those first 3 games of the season but I need to at least pretend I'm working. I'll get those numbers later. Danno likes this.

09-23-2013, 05:47 PM	#68
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by neugey Payton is taking baby steps with Khiry and it's good coaching. He now has some successful garbage time action. Perhaps the next step is just to throw him in for a carry or two in power sets in the first or second quarter as a quick change of pace. See how he does. Then try him in a few short-yardage situations and see how he responds. Then if he does well, start using him more frequently in the first half and power-run with him on first and second downs until we reach a third down, then switch to PT/Sproles for the rest of the drive. Toward the end of the season, begin to slowly find out if he can catch and pass-protect. That is essentially what we did with Ivory from what I remember. Just my opinion, I think pass protection comes first. If we only bring him in to run the ball, every team will stack the box against him. I think that's part of Ingram's problem. And if he can't pass protect when he's supposed to, then we don't want him back there.

09-23-2013, 05:59 PM	#69
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty Originally Posted by SaintsBro And have him fumble on the 4, and have Arizona tie the game? No thanks. Sorry, that would be an absolutely terrible coaching move, to give the ball to an undrafted rookie who has NEVER PLAYED A SNAP IN A REAL FOOTBALL GAME BEFORE, in that situation, on your own 4 yard line like that.They would be ripping his head off, trying to stand him up and strip the ball. Putting him in at the end of the game was LOW RISK HIGH REWARD, and I'm sorry but that is good coaching. Putting Khiry in on the 4 yard line is HIGH RISK LOW REWARD, the exact opposite of what kind of situations you want to put him in. They are all rookies at one time, drafted or not and the sooner you put it in their hands to see them in action the better. If it was 4th and inches with the game on the line I had rather put it in someones hands before pass but that's just me I like smash mouth football. Either way you make it or you don't, rookie or vet. I say play the guy now!!

09-23-2013, 06:20 PM	#70
Luda34 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Tx Posts: 1,219	Re: Khiry Robinson runs nasty What took the Saints so look to put him in the game halloween 65 likes this.

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