2014 NFL Draft

hagan714 · 04-23-2014, 10:30 PM

Marqise Lee, WR, USC and Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida St

I can not get all that excited about these two. In the past two years they have had the case of the drops way to often for me to see using a first on on either much less a second.

Benjamin and LEE get a vote of no confidence from me and i do not want to see them in B&G, WR corp has enough questions already with out adding WR that have issues catching

Neither are on my board

SaintLeonard · 04-23-2014, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

Marqise Lee, WR, USC and Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida St

I can not get all that excited about these two. In the past two years they have had the case of the drops way to often for me to see using a first on on either much less a second.

Benjamin and LEE get a vote of no confidence from me and i do not want to see them in B&G, WR corp has enough questions already with out adding WR that have issues catching

Neither are on my board

I agree on Kelvin Benjamin. He does not have the best hands right now, but the guy is a heck of an athlete and he has the potential to be big time.

Where are you seeing Lee has a case of the dropsies? Pretty much every scouting report I have read on Lee raves about what soft hands he has.

hagan714 · 04-24-2014, 05:10 PM

Lee has acknowledged those drops and is working specifically on improving his hands. Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio asked Lee on PFT Live what area of his game he needs to improve upon, and the receiver said, "Really just catching the ball. I was doing a lot of thinking about running before catching the ball. I've just really been focused on looking the ball all the way in before I actually turn upfield and get going."

Can Marqise Lee Be More Than a No. 2 WR in the NFL? | Bleacher Report

“Lee had too many drops in 2013 but displayed good ball skills in his freshman and sophomore seasons. He is a big-play weapon after the catch and is a vertical route-runner.” – ESPN Draft analyst Todd McShay.

Draft Countdown - No. 23 Marqise Lee | NFL UK

More from Miller, “The USC product has pedigree and is a solid player, but what he lacks in consistent hands and health has caused a steady drop down the board. Lee made plenty of big plays at USC, but digging through three years of film, you’ll see a player who didn’t improve or develop during that time. Lee has to become a more consistent pass-catcher before I see him as a reliable starting NFL wide receiver.”

NFL Draft Rumors: Marqise Lee most overrated draft prospect - FanSided - Sports News, Entertainment, Lifestyle & Technology - 270+ Sites

Look he will amaze you most of the time the skills are there BUT there will be times where you will want to throw a brick at the TV. some serious scouting and coaching is needed with the this pick. lapse of concentration on routine routes does not make a first rounder in my book. Sounds to much like the Mechuem pick relived all over again.

I have watch USC over the past two years and even in his glorious sophomore year he had more than few drops that made you wonder were his head is at. it was a safe bet he would have one or two per game. this is not the USC run down your throat teams of the past. they passed a lot so a lot is lost in the stats.

Plus heed a warning USC has one of the greatest marketing departments in the country. Thats why i look at the USC OC with a level of concern. out of no where at the end of the season he is the greatest thin since sliced bread? I did not see that in his play. upside? back to Lee

I would be pi%%ed with Benjamin and disappointed in the Lee pick. Lee would not be dropping into our laps he is a bottom feeder of round one and atop of round 2. even thing there is a lot of upside putting him the bottom of the first. if he does improve he would be a steal but he is pretty much the same WR leaving college as when he arrived. that scares me. natural ability only gets you so far in the NFL.

straight too the church do the stations of the cross and beg for divine intervention,

then straight to the hardware store and buy an extra jar of stick-em to send to him and Toon.

And thank god once again for flat rate shipping.

I can understand the pick and could give it time but apprehensive would be my final verdict on the pick.

With baited breath i would wait to see if pick 2 makes me feel better

ChrisXVI · 04-24-2014, 07:08 PM

I absolutely did not want Bradley Roby and now that he's been arrested for operating a vehicle under the influence I don't think he'll even be on our board.

SaintLeonard · 04-25-2014, 03:58 PM

@hagan - That's interesting...

2014 NFL Draft Scouting Report - Marqise Lee, WR USC - With the First Pick - NFL Scouting Reports, College Football, and the 2013 NFL Draft

Marqise Lee, WR, Southern California, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

Those two reports say he is a natural hands catcher. Interesting how reports are conflicting on Lee's hands..

hagan714 · 04-27-2014, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

@hagan - That's interesting...

2014 NFL Draft Scouting Report - Marqise Lee, WR USC - With the First Pick - NFL Scouting Reports, College Football, and the 2013 NFL Draft

Marqise Lee, WR, Southern California, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

Those two reports say he is a natural hands catcher. Interesting how reports are conflicting on Lee's hands..

it is not his hands that are at issue here

It is the 6 inches between ears that are of concern.

mental lapse are harder to fix than hands. that is the problem with Lee.

I would much rather a WR like Kevin Norwood who always has his head in the game than deal with a player that spaces out at times. I will go with 4.45 speed, solid hands and route running skill all day long over a WR that makes hold my breath and wondering if he has head on straight.

move the chains wins ever time in my book.

screw the highlight reels. they do not win championships.

Sarik · 04-28-2014, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

it is not his hands that are at issue here

It is the 6 inches between ears that are of concern.

mental lapse are harder to fix than hands. that is the problem with Lee.

I would much rather a WR like Kevin Norwood who always has his head in the game than deal with a player that spaces out at times. I will go with 4.45 speed, solid hands and route running skill all day long over a WR that makes hold my breath and wondering if he has head on straight.

move the chains wins ever time in my book.

screw the highlight reels. they do not win championships.

Im really hoping with everything in me, that we do NOT draft marquise lee or someone selects him before our selection. Not saying the talent isnt there, but i dont see much further improvement in the future for him. Id much rather have latimer, robinson there, heck even martavis ha.

As for norwood hagan...this is the one rare player i believe we disagree on. Not because of talent or ability...but age. Gonna be a 25 year old rookie, not alot of time to improve before 30 rolls around. I'll take the young(er) legs with more explosiveness. But i agree with your assessment, as usual.

hagan714 · 04-29-2014, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by Sarik

As for norwood hagan...this is the one rare player i believe we disagree on. Not because of talent or ability...but age. Gonna be a 25 year old rookie, not alot of time to improve before 30 rolls around. I'll take the young(er) legs with more explosiveness. But i agree with your assessment, as usual.

dam 25 and one foot in the grave,

that why if he is around in the 4th that would be the reason. but no way will he be there when we pick in 4th i bet. of all the i guess third tier wr in the draft at this point he is pretty much the only one that you know exactly what you getting.

Sarik · 04-29-2014, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

dam 25 and one foot in the grave, that why if he is around in the 4th that would be the reason. but no way will he be there when we pick in 4th i bet. of all the i guess third tier wr in the draft at this point he is pretty much the only one that you know exactly what you getting.

Lol one foot in the grave. Yea i would understand the pick...but the age is what deter's me. But in the 4th id be ok.

SaintLeonard · 04-28-2014, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

it is not his hands that are at issue here

It is the 6 inches between ears that are of concern.

mental lapse are harder to fix than hands. that is the problem with Lee.

I would much rather a WR like Kevin Norwood who always has his head in the game than deal with a player that spaces out at times. I will go with 4.45 speed, solid hands and route running skill all day long over a WR that makes hold my breath and wondering if he has head on straight.

move the chains wins ever time in my book.

screw the highlight reels. they do not win championships.

You're being too harsh on Lee. Dude was injured for half the season and when he came back he clearly wasn't at full strength. Mental lapse? Sorry hagan, I almost always agree with you on draft related stuff, and I have grown to respect your opinion, but you do not know what's going on inside Lee's head. It's unfair to say he has mental lapses. He was the best WR in college football in 2012 when he wasn't injured. Where were his mental lapses then?

I agree with you the less flashy WR who is consistent is better than the big play ability WR who may or may not show up for the game, that's why I 100% believe Jarvis Landry > Odell Beckham Jr.

Marqise Lee does not fit into that category though. He's actually a good route runner. He has the technical skills to go along with the crazy athleticism.

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04-23-2014, 10:30 PM	#1
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Marqise Lee, WR, USC and Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida St I can not get all that excited about these two. In the past two years they have had the case of the drops way to often for me to see using a first on on either much less a second. Benjamin and LEE get a vote of no confidence from me and i do not want to see them in B&G, WR corp has enough questions already with out adding WR that have issues catching Neither are on my board
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04-23-2014, 10:56 PM	#2
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by hagan714 Marqise Lee, WR, USC and Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Florida St I can not get all that excited about these two. In the past two years they have had the case of the drops way to often for me to see using a first on on either much less a second. Benjamin and LEE get a vote of no confidence from me and i do not want to see them in B&G, WR corp has enough questions already with out adding WR that have issues catching Neither are on my board I agree on Kelvin Benjamin. He does not have the best hands right now, but the guy is a heck of an athlete and he has the potential to be big time. Where are you seeing Lee has a case of the dropsies? Pretty much every scouting report I have read on Lee raves about what soft hands he has.

04-24-2014, 05:10 PM	#3
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Lee has acknowledged those drops and is working specifically on improving his hands. Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio asked Lee on PFT Live what area of his game he needs to improve upon, and the receiver said, "Really just catching the ball. I was doing a lot of thinking about running before catching the ball. I've just really been focused on looking the ball all the way in before I actually turn upfield and get going." Can Marqise Lee Be More Than a No. 2 WR in the NFL? \| Bleacher Report “Lee had too many drops in 2013 but displayed good ball skills in his freshman and sophomore seasons. He is a big-play weapon after the catch and is a vertical route-runner.” – ESPN Draft analyst Todd McShay. Draft Countdown - No. 23 Marqise Lee \| NFL UK More from Miller, “The USC product has pedigree and is a solid player, but what he lacks in consistent hands and health has caused a steady drop down the board. Lee made plenty of big plays at USC, but digging through three years of film, you’ll see a player who didn’t improve or develop during that time. Lee has to become a more consistent pass-catcher before I see him as a reliable starting NFL wide receiver.” NFL Draft Rumors: Marqise Lee most overrated draft prospect - FanSided - Sports News, Entertainment, Lifestyle & Technology - 270+ Sites Look he will amaze you most of the time the skills are there BUT there will be times where you will want to throw a brick at the TV. some serious scouting and coaching is needed with the this pick. lapse of concentration on routine routes does not make a first rounder in my book. Sounds to much like the Mechuem pick relived all over again. I have watch USC over the past two years and even in his glorious sophomore year he had more than few drops that made you wonder were his head is at. it was a safe bet he would have one or two per game. this is not the USC run down your throat teams of the past. they passed a lot so a lot is lost in the stats. Plus heed a warning USC has one of the greatest marketing departments in the country. Thats why i look at the USC OC with a level of concern. out of no where at the end of the season he is the greatest thin since sliced bread? I did not see that in his play. upside? back to Lee I would be pi%%ed with Benjamin and disappointed in the Lee pick. Lee would not be dropping into our laps he is a bottom feeder of round one and atop of round 2. even thing there is a lot of upside putting him the bottom of the first. if he does improve he would be a steal but he is pretty much the same WR leaving college as when he arrived. that scares me. natural ability only gets you so far in the NFL. straight too the church do the stations of the cross and beg for divine intervention, then straight to the hardware store and buy an extra jar of stick-em to send to him and Toon. And thank god once again for flat rate shipping. I can understand the pick and could give it time but apprehensive would be my final verdict on the pick. With baited breath i would wait to see if pick 2 makes me feel better
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04-24-2014, 07:08 PM	#4
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2014 NFL Draft I absolutely did not want Bradley Roby and now that he's been arrested for operating a vehicle under the influence I don't think he'll even be on our board.

04-25-2014, 03:58 PM	#5
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: 2014 NFL Draft @hagan - That's interesting... 2014 NFL Draft Scouting Report - Marqise Lee, WR USC - With the First Pick - NFL Scouting Reports, College Football, and the 2013 NFL Draft Marqise Lee, WR, Southern California, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com Those two reports say he is a natural hands catcher. Interesting how reports are conflicting on Lee's hands..

04-27-2014, 05:22 AM	#6
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by SaintLeonard @hagan - That's interesting... 2014 NFL Draft Scouting Report - Marqise Lee, WR USC - With the First Pick - NFL Scouting Reports, College Football, and the 2013 NFL Draft Marqise Lee, WR, Southern California, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com Those two reports say he is a natural hands catcher. Interesting how reports are conflicting on Lee's hands.. it is not his hands that are at issue here It is the 6 inches between ears that are of concern. mental lapse are harder to fix than hands. that is the problem with Lee. I would much rather a WR like Kevin Norwood who always has his head in the game than deal with a player that spaces out at times. I will go with 4.45 speed, solid hands and route running skill all day long over a WR that makes hold my breath and wondering if he has head on straight. move the chains wins ever time in my book. screw the highlight reels. they do not win championships.
	"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins Last edited by hagan714; 04-27-2014 at 05:26 AM..

04-28-2014, 10:30 PM	#7
Sarik 100th Post Join Date: May 2012 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 292	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by hagan714 it is not his hands that are at issue here It is the 6 inches between ears that are of concern. mental lapse are harder to fix than hands. that is the problem with Lee. I would much rather a WR like Kevin Norwood who always has his head in the game than deal with a player that spaces out at times. I will go with 4.45 speed, solid hands and route running skill all day long over a WR that makes hold my breath and wondering if he has head on straight. move the chains wins ever time in my book. screw the highlight reels. they do not win championships. Im really hoping with everything in me, that we do NOT draft marquise lee or someone selects him before our selection. Not saying the talent isnt there, but i dont see much further improvement in the future for him. Id much rather have latimer, robinson there, heck even martavis ha. As for norwood hagan...this is the one rare player i believe we disagree on. Not because of talent or ability...but age. Gonna be a 25 year old rookie, not alot of time to improve before 30 rolls around. I'll take the young(er) legs with more explosiveness. But i agree with your assessment, as usual.

04-29-2014, 10:56 AM	#8
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by Sarik As for norwood hagan...this is the one rare player i believe we disagree on. Not because of talent or ability...but age. Gonna be a 25 year old rookie, not alot of time to improve before 30 rolls around. I'll take the young(er) legs with more explosiveness. But i agree with your assessment, as usual. dam 25 and one foot in the grave, that why if he is around in the 4th that would be the reason. but no way will he be there when we pick in 4th i bet. of all the i guess third tier wr in the draft at this point he is pretty much the only one that you know exactly what you getting.

04-29-2014, 06:50 PM	#9
Sarik 100th Post Join Date: May 2012 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 292	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by hagan714 dam 25 and one foot in the grave, that why if he is around in the 4th that would be the reason. but no way will he be there when we pick in 4th i bet. of all the i guess third tier wr in the draft at this point he is pretty much the only one that you know exactly what you getting. Lol one foot in the grave. Yea i would understand the pick...but the age is what deter's me. But in the 4th id be ok.

04-28-2014, 10:49 PM	#10
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: 2014 NFL Draft Originally Posted by hagan714 it is not his hands that are at issue here It is the 6 inches between ears that are of concern. mental lapse are harder to fix than hands. that is the problem with Lee. I would much rather a WR like Kevin Norwood who always has his head in the game than deal with a player that spaces out at times. I will go with 4.45 speed, solid hands and route running skill all day long over a WR that makes hold my breath and wondering if he has head on straight. move the chains wins ever time in my book. screw the highlight reels. they do not win championships. You're being too harsh on Lee. Dude was injured for half the season and when he came back he clearly wasn't at full strength. Mental lapse? Sorry hagan, I almost always agree with you on draft related stuff, and I have grown to respect your opinion, but you do not know what's going on inside Lee's head. It's unfair to say he has mental lapses. He was the best WR in college football in 2012 when he wasn't injured. Where were his mental lapses then? I agree with you the less flashy WR who is consistent is better than the big play ability WR who may or may not show up for the game, that's why I 100% believe Jarvis Landry > Odell Beckham Jr. Marqise Lee does not fit into that category though. He's actually a good route runner. He has the technical skills to go along with the crazy athleticism.

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