Jimmy Graham Contract

halloween 65 · 02-18-2014, 10:40 AM

Atlanta needs a TE, Miami could use him, maybe the Rams, there are a few landing spots for Graham. I really don't see a team giving up two #1 for him because he isn't really an all around TE but maybe a 1st and a 3rd. I just can't see overpaying him to the point it cripples us and feel that he just isn't worth top TE money and to be honest WR money is out of the question. If nothing else let him walk and beef up the O-line and grab a reciever.

exile · 02-18-2014, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

If nothing else let him walk and beef up the O-line and grab a reciever.

He isn't going anywhere. He will be a Saint next year with a new contract or a franchise tag salary.

vpheughan · 02-18-2014, 11:15 AM

Trade him to an AFC team with the stipulation they can't in turn trade him to the Falcons. Just like the Packers did with Favre to the Jets. The pick they got from the Jets (a 3rd) allowed them to trade up with New England and select Clay Matthews! Not a bad deal for a "one and done" with the Jets.

TheOak · 02-18-2014, 11:17 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Trade him to an AFC team with the stipulation they can't in turn trade him to the Falcons. Just like the Packers did with Favre to the Jets. The pick they got from the Jets (a 3rd) allowed them to trade up with New England and select Clay Matthews! Not a bad deal for a "one and done" with the Jets.

You can not trade that which you do not have.

Jack Vegas · 02-20-2014, 01:00 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You can not trade that which you do not have.

If you franchise tag him you have exclusive rights, which means you can trade him. Actually you're only trading his rights to the other team, but it's essentially the same thing.

We basically did this with Chris Ivory last offseason. He was only an
ERFA and not franchised-tagged, but the overall idea is the same. In both cases we were the only team that had the right to sign the player to an NFL contract and as such had the right to trade those rights to whomever they wanted.

jeanpierre · 02-20-2014, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

If you franchise tag him you have exclusive rights, which means you can trade him. Actually you're only trading his rights to the other team, but it's essentially the same thing.

We basically did this with Chris Ivory last offseason. He was only an
ERFA and not franchised-tagged, but the overall idea is the same. In both cases we were the only team that had the right to sign the player to an NFL contract and as such had the right to trade those rights to whomever they wanted.

You can also Franchise Tag with a Non-Exclusive Option which I would be interested in gaining two first round draft picks to add to our selections over the next two seasons...

Ivory was tendered as a Restricted Free Agent, but I thought we should have gotten more out of New York than the fourth round pick they gave (we should've gotten a third rounder out right)...

TheOak · 02-21-2014, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Vegas

If you franchise tag him you have exclusive rights, which means you can trade him. Actually you're only trading his rights to the other team, but it's essentially the same thing.

We basically did this with Chris Ivory last offseason. He was only an

ERFA and not franchised-tagged, but the overall idea is the same. In both cases we were the only team that had the right to sign the player to an NFL contract and as such had the right to trade those rights to whomever they wanted.

Jimmy has not been tagged. Nothing to trade yet. You "can" do a lot of things, once he signs something, as of now, he has signed nothing.

Your more then welcome to trade your tagged player away if you want to. I wouldn't recommend it:
There is a huge difference between signing Ivory to a year deal then trading him, and exclusively tagging Jimmy Graham for one season and trading him.

*Franchise Tag is guaranteed money*

Remember what happens to guaranteed money when you trade a player? It turns into dead money.

If you tag Graham and then trade him he gets paid twice for 2014. The Saints also lose the FT money as dead and what ever pay is given to his traded for.

You can't name the last player that was franchise tagged and then traded in the same season can you?

There is a reason.

vpheughan · 02-19-2014, 10:45 AM

Since when don't we "have" him?

stickman · 02-19-2014, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Since when don't we "have" him?

He's not under contract. Don't think you can trade a player you don't have under contract.

TheOak · 02-19-2014, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Since when don't we "have" him?

He is a Free Agent in 19 days, not much market for 18 days of Jimmy Graham in the off season. His contract is up.

View Poll Results: What should the Saints do re: Jimmy Graham?
Negotiate, Re-sign to Contract	56	62.92%
Franchise Tag (Exclusive)	17	19.10%
Franchise Tag (Non-Exclusive)	7	7.87%
Non-Tender Free Agent (Let Him Geaux)	9	10.11%
Voters: 89. You may not vote on this poll

02-18-2014, 10:45 AM	#2
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by halloween 65 If nothing else let him walk and beef up the O-line and grab a reciever. He isn't going anywhere. He will be a Saint next year with a new contract or a franchise tag salary. SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.
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02-18-2014, 11:15 AM	#3
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,563	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Trade him to an AFC team with the stipulation they can't in turn trade him to the Falcons. Just like the Packers did with Favre to the Jets. The pick they got from the Jets (a 3rd) allowed them to trade up with New England and select Clay Matthews! Not a bad deal for a "one and done" with the Jets.
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02-18-2014, 11:17 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by vpheughan Trade him to an AFC team with the stipulation they can't in turn trade him to the Falcons. Just like the Packers did with Favre to the Jets. The pick they got from the Jets (a 3rd) allowed them to trade up with New England and select Clay Matthews! Not a bad deal for a "one and done" with the Jets. You can not trade that which you do not have. CoreyO likes this.

02-20-2014, 01:00 PM	#5
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by TheOak You can not trade that which you do not have. If you franchise tag him you have exclusive rights, which means you can trade him. Actually you're only trading his rights to the other team, but it's essentially the same thing. We basically did this with Chris Ivory last offseason. He was only an ERFA and not franchised-tagged, but the overall idea is the same. In both cases we were the only team that had the right to sign the player to an NFL contract and as such had the right to trade those rights to whomever they wanted.
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02-18-2014, 10:40 AM	#1
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Atlanta needs a TE, Miami could use him, maybe the Rams, there are a few landing spots for Graham. I really don't see a team giving up two #1 for him because he isn't really an all around TE but maybe a 1st and a 3rd. I just can't see overpaying him to the point it cripples us and feel that he just isn't worth top TE money and to be honest WR money is out of the question. If nothing else let him walk and beef up the O-line and grab a reciever.

02-20-2014, 06:22 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by Jack Vegas If you franchise tag him you have exclusive rights, which means you can trade him. Actually you're only trading his rights to the other team, but it's essentially the same thing. We basically did this with Chris Ivory last offseason. He was only an ERFA and not franchised-tagged, but the overall idea is the same. In both cases we were the only team that had the right to sign the player to an NFL contract and as such had the right to trade those rights to whomever they wanted. You can also Franchise Tag with a Non-Exclusive Option which I would be interested in gaining two first round draft picks to add to our selections over the next two seasons... Ivory was tendered as a Restricted Free Agent, but I thought we should have gotten more out of New York than the fourth round pick they gave (we should've gotten a third rounder out right)... halloween 65 likes this.

02-21-2014, 04:48 PM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by Jack Vegas If you franchise tag him you have exclusive rights, which means you can trade him. Actually you're only trading his rights to the other team, but it's essentially the same thing. We basically did this with Chris Ivory last offseason. He was only an ERFA and not franchised-tagged, but the overall idea is the same. In both cases we were the only team that had the right to sign the player to an NFL contract and as such had the right to trade those rights to whomever they wanted. Jimmy has not been tagged. Nothing to trade yet. You "can" do a lot of things, once he signs something, as of now, he has signed nothing. Your more then welcome to trade your tagged player away if you want to. I wouldn't recommend it: There is a huge difference between signing Ivory to a year deal then trading him, and exclusively tagging Jimmy Graham for one season and trading him. Franchise Tag is guaranteed money Remember what happens to guaranteed money when you trade a player? It turns into dead money. If you tag Graham and then trade him he gets paid twice for 2014. The Saints also lose the FT money as dead and what ever pay is given to his traded for. You can't name the last player that was franchise tagged and then traded in the same season can you? There is a reason.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

02-19-2014, 10:45 AM	#8
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,563	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Since when don't we "have" him?
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02-19-2014, 11:20 AM	#9
stickman 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Gonzales, LA Posts: 1,815	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by vpheughan Since when don't we "have" him? He's not under contract. Don't think you can trade a player you don't have under contract.

02-19-2014, 11:32 AM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,056	Re: Jimmy Graham Contract Originally Posted by vpheughan Since when don't we "have" him? He is a Free Agent in 19 days, not much market for 18 days of Jimmy Graham in the off season. His contract is up.
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