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Phone in hand......

He leaps in the air and dunks a football over field-goal posts every TD. Tell me again how bad he is injured.

FWIW Jimmy Graham expends more energy and looks a bit more athletic and brutal in his post dunk TDs and post catch flexes than he does in a fair amount of his missed balls.

This has zero to do with it being Jimmy Graham, I don't let my daughters out of cleaning their room just because they "don't feel good", when I just saw them running and playing either.

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I didn't say "in the league" on the INTs, that # was for the Saints only, that's why I used Drew's name.

"Hurts more to run than to jump"... Your reaching brother. Does it also hurt more to catch than to dunk?

If your foot hurts even from a toe nail you want to minimize how often 275 lbs comes down on it.

Before I am corrected that is +10 for pads and helmet.

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LOL

Have to agree, lol, he should definitely cut down on the dunks and save them for effect, but he's springing off the good foot; (wait for it) it's like the thing in Basketball - where he can't geaux left...

But, pardon the broken record thingy, the injury should be disclosed now that the season is over - fans, PAYING, fans of tickets, merchandise, subscriptions are owed an explanation of what he endured (or not) and I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt...

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We are not "owed" anything of personal nature by any NFL players or coaches. The only parties that owed information like that are teams that are hoping to sign or trade for a player we have. it is none of my business what any of our players hurt during the season; if its divulged because they miss a game then great, but nothing is owed.

If he can spring off 1 foot for a dunk, he can spring off the same foot for a catch.

I have said a few times the play that is missing from our repertoire is the pass that is thrown at the corss-bar where only Jimmy can get it. Instead of throwing to Jimmy's numbers as he runs laterally across the back of the endzone, lob the jump ball so it comes down 2 feet in-front of the goal post. He is a frikken basketball player for Christs sake!

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On the first point, I would argue that we pay for entertainment and not rights... If you buy a steak you have purchased no rights to know about the cook. So we disagree.

The question about the last play is valid but it digs a little deeper in my view, and it gets back to coaching, but who is it on? We tend to hand everything on SP but there is an OC and a receivers coach that should have grabbed Colston and told him get OB ASAP. Sean Payton calls the plays but he is not tied to fundamental football such as laces out for a FG, be prepared for an onside kick, get OB as soon as you catch the pass; he is focused on a higher tier of the game.

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Do you think Jimmy will give a home team discount? He's said he doesn't want to play with any other QB besides Drew. I wonder how far that will go?

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I would say its time for the Jedi to lead by example. Drew restructures to show the Padiwan how to take one for the team.

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Supply and demand. You have to have a good quarterback to win nowadays and there aren't 32 good quarterbacks in the league. If you don't pay top dollar, someone else will.

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Yeah, that is odd.

I think most people think of Drew in that elite group and they're still in the ballpark, 18.5 -19.2 million vs. 20 million. Maybe they didn't want to come off as greedy as Drew did.

But Flacco and Ryan's contracts show that teams don't want to be one position short of a shot at the Super Bowl. Even if they're not getting "elite", good is better than nothing.

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Rogers signed for more than Brees, so did Flacco, and Ryan.

Manning is only 800k less/year and there was a neck issue also.

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Based on what criteria?

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ok fess up. jimmy is good but he has yet reached the elite statues among players.

elite rise up in the big games and do not disappear. the kid needs to reach that finally level.

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1. League MVP is BS and you know that.

The rest put Drew Brees up there with them.

When you say Manning.... You mean Eli right? Drew has as many rings as Payton.

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I'm not surprised. I think it is a legitimate question. I'd like to have him back based solely on what he CAN do, but his apparent lack of toughness against physical secondaries makes him not worth the money he's likely to demand.

Make careful note that I am not saying he isn't worth a lot of money, just that he isn't worth what he's going to want. Whether or not he stays I have a feeling will rest squarely on how bad he wants to stay. If he brings his price down to something reasonable, then they won't simply let him go. But with the money tied to Brees, we can't pay top of the receiver market. Just top tight end market... Maybe.

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League MVP means you get it done, week in, week out, so it's not BS...

And can you honestly tell me if a draft started today for one season Peyton Manning wouldn't be selected before those others with maybe Rodgers going first...

Love the Saints and am grateful for Brees, but he's 3a behind Manning, Rogers, Brady...

Brees' inopportune turnovers are what keep him from being the best in the league...

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In 2009 Drew got it done week in and out for 20 weeks better than anyone else.... Including the Super Bowl against Manning. Beat them all in QBR, completion %, TDs... He was the phuckin MAN. Didn't get it, so yea.... It's BS. League MVP is awarded by "Sports Writers" and Payton Manning much like some fans is their love child. He did it with out an All Pro WR and TE (Which Manning had), and a Pro-Bowl WR which Manning had. Drew Brees did more with less and did it with a lot worse defense to boot.

In 2011 Drew Dominated all in TDs, Yards, and Comp%.

INTs Drew had 1 year with 22, Manning has had a 23 and 28 seasons...

So yea... If you want to call me a homer because I would take Drew Brees in a draft, then so be it. He has the highest potential cap of all of them. Payton Manning's numbers this season for me are asterisked with *AFC had only 1 team with a top 10 passing defense that he faced and that was Houston...

Drew faced Seattle X2, Carolina, San Francisco = 4 Top 10 Passing Defenses... and only 2 more INTs.

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Let the game begin.

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So which role players the Saints lose this offseason while Loomis plays contract ping pong with Condon, this clown reeks of Scott Boras

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Watching a replay of the 2005 Pro Bowl skills competition. Drew smoked every QB there on accuracy, even Manning.

Interesting comments.... Mind you Drew is wearing a Chargers jersey. Commentators: Drew coming off a near perfect season.... If Manning hadn't had the season he did Drew would have been MVP.

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I miss the skills competition. Drew Dat !

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If Graham views himself as a $10ml a year receiver then I hope he finds somebody willing to give up 2 first round picks and they pay it.If you want $10ml a year I expect a player to catch in traffic and not tbe alligator arms to protect yourself, Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald are $10ml receivers.

I really like Graham but not $10ml a year, heck not even 8ml a year.I think he knows yhat and its a starting point for negotiations though probably.
His style of TE is becoming more common these days so could be replaced if the contracts is too high.

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A lot of people moan about the games that Condon plays... What you are doing is essentially the same.

Essentially you are saying offer him 9.1M a year, if he doesn't take that then offer him 6.1M a year and let him shop the market so you can get 2 draft picks.

If another team offers him 8M/yr you let him walk.....!

I am struggling with the logic of wanting him enough to offer 9.1M.year, but not enough to Exclusive Franchise Tag him for 6.7M and be done with all the drama.

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Hmmmmm:

"If the use the non-exclusive version of the tag, that could happen quickly, if a team like the Falcons (which needs a successor to Tony Gonzalez) or the 49ers (which is drafting low this year and likely will be next year) or the Ravens (ditto) decides to pony up a pair of first-round picks for a chance to pilfer Graham from the Saints."

Saints, Graham almost certainly headed for franchise-tag fight | ProFootballTalk

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Quick question.
Say the Patriots want him and only have one first rounder do we only get one this year and one next or do they have to have two picks this year

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With two #1 being low you could cement the O and the D trading up stratigically for years. Just look how the Patriots do buisness, it amazes me every year!!

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He's not worth 10 million as he is right now, but he still has growing to do. I am sure that Loomis will strike a good deal for our cap.

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I'm betting he get's 10 million or more a year if he hits the open market.

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