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I believe the best solution to Graham's contract is to trade him to get into the top eight of the draft - maybe the Raiders?!?
Graham and our first round pick for a top eight pick, plus a second and third round pick... We could select a cornerstone Left Tackle and get two quality players in the second and third rounds to upgrade holes in the WR depth and in the back half of the defense... The pink Saints jerseys might take a hit, but Saints fans that really know football know we've got to take back the line of scrimmage if we're gonna have another Lombardi Gras... Keeping Graham we may put up some amazing stats, but we'll have a second round ceiling that we won't be able to overcome... Graham is our priority in free agency, but that doesn't mean he's on the roster long term... |
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I'm having fits with this "sign and trade"..... Why do you want to intentionally inflict a minimum 7-12 million dollars worth of dead money on your self? It's like...... Buying a brand new Porche Panamerra Turbo Executive S, then driving it to a Honda lot and trading it in on 3 Hondas. Jesus, you just lost a whole Honda's worth of depreciation. It's gambling with a CC cash advance to pay the rent. |
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Another option would be to simply tag as a Tight End and trade as the link to the Kristian Garic article proposes, as has several Saints fans at this site have done for weeks; in that scenario, a cap on the Graham contract hit would be minimized or capped... Really against assigning that much money to such a small part of the roster - what happens when you're Porche Panamerra Turbo Executive S (nice selection) breaks down?!? You've got a gorgeous date getting anxious while you're thumbing it on the interstate... |
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Tagging and trading is the worst option. A 6.7m tag instantly becomes 6.7m in dead money when traded, that's basically all of our cap space. Now you have to cut players to sign free agents, cut players to sign original draft picks, cut players to sign new draft picks..... You have to cut players to sign a practice squad. While I can appreciate the possibility, there is no plausibility to Jimmy Graham wanting to sign a contract with minimal salary and minimal guaranteed/signing bonus. To have less dead money this season his contract can't have more than a first year salary of 730k, and no larger total signing bonus of 6m. 1. No one would sign ^ crap. 2. Least we have become human barterers and forgotten the human aspect. You are trading him and he knows that as soon as he sees ^ crap. "If" he was considering that offer you just burnt any home town discount possibility because you are kicking him out of New Orleans and separating him from Drew for a few drat picks. |
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I'll pose the question in a different format.
I am offering you a 1st, and a 2nd round draft pick this year for 9m in your cap space this season. Do you take the deal? |
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Looming franchise-tag fight has silver lining for Saints | ProFootballTalk
This just got even more interesting... |
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That is a gamble and a cost I wouldn't touch. Where are you going to find 3m to sign the extra draft pics? Another 3-4m to sign your original draft picks? Another 4-5m (lowball) to keep a few players you need. Forget new free agency players. And another 3m to start the season with a practice squad and some reserve for injuries? That's 15m, and you could do half of that by not giving away all your cap space to dead money. |
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This is a business first and some times you have to make due with what you have. Besides, you will never know if they can do it until you let them try to do it. |
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Amen... Should Ingram and Robinson split 35 carries a game our faults at receiver and Oline may just disappear ...
Olineman from Bama had a bad combine we could steal him in the second round ... We essentially would be a better Seattle with Brees at QB |
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Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 19m
No great surprise, but the Saints will use their franchise tag on tight end Jimmy Graham before Monday’s deadline, per a league source. |
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Jimmy Graham just confirmed he's been tagged on his FB page...
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10 things to know about the Jimmy Graham franchise tag | ProFootballTalk
Well, it certainly would add even more drama to Saints fans' offseason... (excerpt)"10. Graham could choose to go year to year. Whether Graham wins or loses the looming grievance, he could elect to not do a long-term deal, opting instead to retain the injury risk and play one year at a time. He’d receive a 20-percent raise in 2015 if tagged again, and then a 44-percent raise in 2016 or the quarterback franchise tender, whichever is greater." |
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Can we agree a trade here or is it a case of teams need to out up 2 firsts or shut up.
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Another team can negotiate a long-term deal with him. We can either match that deal, or receive that teams next two 1st round picks. The Rams and Browns have multiple 1st round picks this year, but they already have good TE's. |
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I'd want a R1, R2 pick this season and a R2 pick next season... ...and none of this conditional crawfish crap, you want him, then make it happen... ...and if it's either of the NYJ or NYG, pour it on 'em... We've had a good trade history with Miami and Jimmy might want to return to his Alma Mater Town... |
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Ram's Jared Cook gets his when no one is watching him... So Graham to the Rams would be interesting... I'd love to see Graham's face if Buffalo tendered an offer... Don't underestimate the Falcons; wouldn't be surprised to see the dirty birds wait, post draft, then make a move for Graham; but the teams are lining up, and they'll want Graham in their fold before they draft... |
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Gives us 3 1st round picks ... Reminds me of the cowboys trading tony Dorset for what would eventually be Aikman Smith and Irvin
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Think you mean Walker.
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Best candidate for both parties if Jimmy departs is Miami...
They'd gain an impact player on offense that their young QB could trust... Jimmy would be back in his familiar college hometown... Saints would gain to valuable picks in the middle of the first round... We'd have some cap room to get Mack and maybe a couple of role players on both sides of the ball... |
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I've read no where that we get any choice in the draft picks we receive, it's 2 first and they have to be that teams "original picks".
Meaning we get one each in a two year span. |
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"The" Jimmy Graham begins the PR tour - yet, it is a noble cause...
https://twitter.com/TheJimmyGraham |
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Solomon Wilcots calls it... |
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Saints, Fins, and the Graham's hematophagites agree in principle to dependent series of exchanges... Graham signs the Franchise Tender... Graham's rights secured, he is traded to Miami for a compensation package (i.e. this year's first and third)... Miami and Graham settle on a long term contract before the NFL deadline for same... Problem for the Saints in that scenario, New Orleans still gets hit with some salary cap love by Graham on the way out of the door... But it allows the Saints to still sign one impact player this season and it gets the ball rolling to addressing personnel needs... |
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Where is it out lined that there are options other than 2 FRDPs from the team he signs with? You still went through a convoluted series of hoops to lose 9m in cap space. If you have 9m in cap space to lose just grab the best 9m talent that hits free agency and save your self the headaches. Everyone diving into the musical chairs when just letting him go is easier, and your getting a whole hell of a lot better proven value for your dollar. The fact that the Saints love Graham seems to be being ignored. If they had 9m to spare, they would offer it. Oh yea.... If Jimmy wants 12m, why again is he signing a 7m tender? You missed one party in your plan. What does Jimmy get? |
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I like that... But, you should slow down as you don't read things thoroughly - see second to last line of my post and pause... And in the last line is the apologia for why the Saints would still geaux through with that scenario... And you vehemently disagreed that the Saints should geaux Franchise Tag, Non-Exclusive and that's exactly what happened... Just offered a scenario whereby Graham would geaux without the Saints getting two firsts, not advocating it... And I will miss Graham as he's been my favorite Saints since he hit training camp as a Rookie and I was there... But there's too dam# much money tied up in too few players, including Brees who can't throw the long ball any longer... We've got to get a better distribution of talent in the respective units and I fault Loomis as a poor negotiator... |
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Nope. Read it clearly. Graham gets paid twice. That's why I asked where is his motivation. Graham getting 12m x 2 ..... Seriously, that's your plan? If the Saints offer him. WR tag, he will sign it. That will be 12m in dead money + 3m to sign two picks. 15m transaction. Who could we sign in FA with 15m to burn?... So..... How does it work in the real world where all parties actually get something they would agree to. |
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I am certain that some of that salary would count against the other team involved. Just makes sense
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No, I made ONE post about not tagging him because it left Loomis with a hard number. The rest have been about all this trade rigamaroll. So you'll need to list all of my vehemence. I don't recall it. |
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Let me spell it out...
If Graham, a Team Trade Partner (i.e. Dolphins), and Saints sit down and agree on a conditional series of actions... Jimmy signs the franchise tender at 7 mil (Saints Cap Hit) for this season on the condition of... The new team will sign, extend him with guaranteed money that both have reached on previous agreement... The cap hit for the Saints will be approximately 7mil (the current TE number)... Jimmy's rights secured, he's traded for a package other than the two first round draft picks... Once the new team (i.e. Dolphins) has his rights they're free to extend the contract prior to the NFL deadline in the summer to a mutual satisfactory number that both the new team and Jimmy had agreed... This scenario has happened and was offered as an optional scenario that could happen... Motivations? Saints have a finite, salary committment of 7mil for this year only to move Graham on; are able to get a compensatory package to offset his loss; and begin relieving themselves of committing large salary cap numbers to just a handful of players... Jimmy has the financial compensation package that is his and his representatives priority... Dolphins have a college hometown hero, bona-fide NFL star to augment their offense and compete in the AFC East... |
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