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hmmm 10+ mill a year if he wins and from what i have read and heard he has a very good chance of winning, if he does then what? eat it? sign and trade?

6 years, $48 million sounds reasonable.

if not how about a sign and trade with the browns?

they get graham and we the #4 pick in the draft?

now you can wheel and deal and add players.

heck even get the 26th pick and their 2nd.

then pick up the phone and call FA agents and get a deal done.

Projected Price Tag:

Hakeem Nicks 5 years, $33 million
Jairus Byrd 5 years, $34 million
Donald Butler 5 years, $36 million
Alterraun Verner 6 years, $36 million
Brian Orakpo 5 years, $36.4 million
Jeff Cumberland 4 years, $15.6 million

i admit that is not the nicest thing to do to jimmy but the brownies do have talent

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Browns will not bite.
They have two first rounders as they have the Colts from the Richardson trade but they a QB with the 4th pick and will be looking at another weapon with the Colts pick.They also have Jordan Cameron at TE

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You could maybe get the Rams intersted as they hold picks 2nd/13/44 but they have Jared Cook who has big money left on his deal $12-8ml in dead money the next two years.
They will find a way to keep Jimmy but with his deal and Cameron Jordan expiring deal we are trying too float through that famous creak and are rapidly running out of paddles

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true the browns are talented and if they can put it all together they could be a team a top their division for the next few years/

i was thinking temperature wise lol

forgot about Jordan.

hmmm i would take cook off their hands as part of the deal ;)

they can keep Jared Cook

too much money tied up at one position your right

rams? grrr send him to the AFC if anything.

i just hope Jimmy does not want to be a 10 million dollar a year man.

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Given the ecstatic willingness Saints fans are to let JG go for two FRDP's, is say he isn't worth two FRDP's and therefor no one is going to risk giving them up for him.

If there was more hesitation I would think they would be closer in value.

Think about it for a second. You wake up one morning and Loomis gave up $10m/year and two FRDPs for Gronkowski. How does your stomach feel?

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I guess for the buying team it all depends on the cap space available. For a team like the Rams (if they didnt have Cook on the roster) loosing two picks would maybe be worth the cap hit. Again one of the contending teams may think uts worth tsking away the Saints top weapon and loosing two very late first rounders.

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Atlanta needs a TE, Miami could use him, maybe the Rams, there are a few landing spots for Graham. I really don't see a team giving up two #1 for him because he isn't really an all around TE but maybe a 1st and a 3rd. I just can't see overpaying him to the point it cripples us and feel that he just isn't worth top TE money and to be honest WR money is out of the question. If nothing else let him walk and beef up the O-line and grab a reciever.

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He isn't going anywhere. He will be a Saint next year with a new contract or a franchise tag salary.

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Trade him to an AFC team with the stipulation they can't in turn trade him to the Falcons. Just like the Packers did with Favre to the Jets. The pick they got from the Jets (a 3rd) allowed them to trade up with New England and select Clay Matthews! Not a bad deal for a "one and done" with the Jets.

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You can not trade that which you do not have.

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Since when don't we "have" him?

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He's not under contract. Don't think you can trade a player you don't have under contract.

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He is a Free Agent in 19 days, not much market for 18 days of Jimmy Graham in the off season. His contract is up.

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1. "Neither Sexton, the Saints nor the union are talking about what Graham might do yet." (until that happens its speculation on top of speculation)

2. Suggs is not a precedent. There was no ruling from an arbitrator.

3. The only statement that actually matters is one that has been made by Jimmy graham him self : "That's not for me to decide," Graham said at an adidias charity event with New Orleans Pelicans guard Eric Gordon in the French Quarter. "I'm going to do, and I'm going to play, whatever I'm asked to do. It's that simple."

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Maybe some good news.

Adam Schefter reporting that the salary cap could be rising to $130ml.

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Isn't it at $123ml now? That's not too much help.

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My point is he isn't "gone" yet.

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You have nothing to trade

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For us 7m is huge brother.... Frikken huge! That 7m alone could be JG ft, save 4 players, add a very good FA after the shuffling is done.

7m is signing our drafts and paying for the practice squad.

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We're not actually gaining an additional $7 million from what we've been looking at so far this offseason - since all the cap figures up until now were based on an estimate of $126.4 million - when all those cuts were made last week the calculation of being $4 million under the cap meant we were at about 122 million.

It's just that the cap went up by a lot more than what was projected.

Last year it was $123 million, but we've been counting up our cap space based on the $126.4 million figure. But an extra 3.6 million is nothing to sneeze at.

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If you franchise tag him you have exclusive rights, which means you can trade him. Actually you're only trading his rights to the other team, but it's essentially the same thing.

We basically did this with Chris Ivory last offseason. He was only an
ERFA and not franchised-tagged, but the overall idea is the same. In both cases we were the only team that had the right to sign the player to an NFL contract and as such had the right to trade those rights to whomever they wanted.

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Jimmy has not been tagged. Nothing to trade yet. You "can" do a lot of things, once he signs something, as of now, he has signed nothing.

Your more then welcome to trade your tagged player away if you want to. I wouldn't recommend it:
There is a huge difference between signing Ivory to a year deal then trading him, and exclusively tagging Jimmy Graham for one season and trading him.

*Franchise Tag is guaranteed money*

Remember what happens to guaranteed money when you trade a player? It turns into dead money.

If you tag Graham and then trade him he gets paid twice for 2014. The Saints also lose the FT money as dead and what ever pay is given to his traded for.

You can't name the last player that was franchise tagged and then traded in the same season can you?

There is a reason.

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5.1m in space,

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orleans-saints/cap-hit/

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Because 80% of them are hacks and reputable journalists wouldn't give 5 seconds to read their work. The other 20% are not journalists but rather entertainment columnists and the stories do what is intended, generate website traffic in the offseason.

Nearly all articles or columns about he NFL are opinion pieces that are written as though they were factual news; utilizing "is" instead of "possibly", "probably", or "arguably".

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funny thing is the guidelines were all set in the collective bargaining agreement the nfl and the union have just agreed on. writers are writers and need to sell there rags. the real fun is to get in the room when the nfl and the players rep are arguing the 5 sets jimmy ran that will make the 4 million dollar difference. that would be fun to watch.

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Put your self in a sports writers shoes in the off season. I am not defending their blatant fabrication but what do they actually have to go on, especially if they are college grads with a journalism degree and never played the game.

Its off season, so there are no stats, games, or scores to talk about. Coaches and GMs are not out there telling you what and how they will draft. No one is saying peep about who they are looking to get or give up for FA.

All you can do is speculate or find another job.

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There used to be a beat writer or two for each team and they kicked the stories and info up the chain.

Now:
32-64 beat writers
9,678,678,543,577 fans with blogs
6,456,875,567 sports news websites each having a person for each team.
678,764 NFL Network 'experts'

All putting words in Jimmy or his agents mouth so they can keep their job full instead of part time.

Then there is Costas still talking about Katrina

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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
 

Re: Jimmy Graham Contract