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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I've tried to do my own research on descriptions of positions in the NFL, what I have failed to find is something that says that a tight end strictly cannot line up wide... I'm wondering if there's a reference or ...
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
I've tried to do my own research on descriptions of positions in the NFL, what I have failed to find is something that says that a tight end strictly cannot line up wide... I'm wondering if there's a reference or a rulebook that would define a restriction like this?
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
Originally Posted by AliJee
Using Webster's Dictionary Online, Saints are screwed...![]()
Using most football books, you're absolutely dead-on that there's nothing limiting a Tight End to lining up wide are tight on the tackle, other than he has to be on the line of scimmage... End of the day, he's an All-Pro as a ****, his own twitter page he refers to himself as a tight end; and other than TD receptions, he's barely a top 20 receiver in catches or reception yards... |
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
Sorry, but I didn't catch your ****'s meaning. I have never seen, nor read, nor heard any reference to Jimmy Graham himself stating he was anything other than a tight end. You can ***** and moan at the NFLPA because of their grievance. You can ***** and moan at his agent for telling Graham to remain silent about everything, as was most probably directed by the NFLPA. ![]()
But, who you need to ***** and moan at is the media which has dumped all of this into this kid's lap. Direct your anger toward the proper targets. |
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
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Hold on - Jimmy has NOT been silent and awkwardly twitted similar bullshinski his agent has been dealing...![]()
And last I checked, my lawyer does what I tell him what to do... Never faulted him for seeking a max deal - just called BS on his WR argument - all of this is done in his name, he's an adult, therefore it is his argument... Still gonna love the Saints and what he does to make the Saints win... But like Brees and agent has done, if you take too much Pi, then we want be able to sign, retain other Alpha Betas to keep winning... (see what I did there?!?) |
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
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Agents work for players, the union can only act as long as the player wishes. Graham may be keeping quiet in the media but he knows whats going on as is happy for the NFLPA and Sexton to push this. He could just say get a deal done with the Saints or I sit/play out the tag and move as a FA next year. But he is happy for this to happen in the hope that he wins and has additional leverage on the long term deal. |
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
Originally Posted by lee909
Yes, agents work for the players, but they also tell the players before they agree to represent them that the player has to trust everything they are doing when it comes to negotiations. And the players listen. Especially the young ones hoping to get their first, and most likely only, big contract ever. ![]()
As for the union, they have far more influence on the players than you can imagine. Its primary concern is not of the individual player, but of the player population as a whole. It would be easy to convince the player that this is for the good of all players and they would not be lying. As the great philosopher Spock once said, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." It is Pollyanna thinking to believe that this 27 year-old kid has any control over this situation with everything that is on the line. The NFL and the NFLPA are two of America's most powerful entities and are not capable of being told what they can and cannot do. |
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
Wrong. I have followed Graham on Twitter since he joined the team. He has NEVER tweeted anything about his tag designation. Immediately after he was tagged he posted one jokingly saying, "Tag! I'm it." and then another saying he was "shocked and disappointed." That is it. ![]()
Even his agent has not said anything about the WR angle as far as I can gather. That has been 100% the NFLPA. Graham has NEVER claimed he was a WR in any manner. The whole argument has been put forth by the NFLPA. |
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido
Guido, like your insightfullness, really do...![]()
but you can't say "He has NEVER tweeted anything about his tag designation." (then state on two occasions he did) "Immediately after he was tagged he posted one jokingly saying, "Tag! I'm it." and then another saying he was "shocked and disappointed.""... So either he NEVER twitted or he did; point of fact he did and he's made other public comments that I felt was below the image he's projected thus far in his career... Second, will reiterate that he's an adult, and plays football with millions of people watching - so the real Pollyanna thinking that he's some innocent kid caught up in the power struggle of organized labor and old-guard management is bullshinski; he's a big boy and has to wear the big boy pants in negotiations in his behalf... Not hating on Graham, just not drinking the cool-aid absolving him of his role in this... |
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Re: Jimmy Graham Contract
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
Read closely jeanpierre. Those two tweets that I posted referred to the act of the tag alone. The NFL did not declare his designation as a TE until later. He, as I correctly stated, has NEVER tweeted nor mentioned a word about his tag designation. ![]()
Ever. And you state that " he's made other public comments that I felt was below the image he's projected thus far in his career..." I challenge you here and now to find and post one. You type as they are so well known. Show them then. I'm sorry, but you are either speaking out of misguided ignorance (not saying you are dumb or anything, just that you don't know the truth) or are making it up (which I really doubt). |
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