Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season?

exile · 02-26-2014, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

So let me get this straight - We're fortunate enough to have the best TE in the game on our team, and some people want to trade him away for a couple of draft picks that may or may not pan out?

This can't be real life.

You couldn't be more on target. Graham is a TD machine and will get better each year. Trade him? Drop him? I don't get it.

SmashMouth · 02-26-2014, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by exile

You couldn't be more on target. Graham is a TD machine and will get better each year. Trade him? Drop him? I don't get it.

We would love additional modalities such as the ultimate-blocking-machine and the ultimate-show-up-at-big-games-machine to complement the TD machine.

rezburna · 02-26-2014, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

We would love additional modalities such as the ultimate-blocking-machine and the ultimate-show-up-at-big-games-machine to complement the TD machine.

Exactly. I wish I would've seen the machine in the playoffs. Or against New England. Or the Jets. Or Carolina. Etc..

SaintLeonard · 02-26-2014, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Exactly. I wish I would've seen the machine in the playoffs. Or against New England. Or the Jets. Or Carolina. Etc..

???

Graham @ NYJ: 9 recs, 116 yards, 2 TDs
Graham @ Car: 5 recs, 73 yards, 1 TD

Utah_Saint · 02-26-2014, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Exactly. I wish I would've seen the machine in the playoffs. Or against New England. Or the Jets. Or Carolina. Etc..

Against the Jets he had 116 yards and two touchdowns, In the two games against Carolina he had 131 yards and 3 touchdowns.

And if he's being taken out of so many games, how did he end up with over 1200 yards for the season?

And if every one knows how to shut him out of games, how did he get 16 touchdowns? Which receivers can't get shut out? How many scores did they get?

Danno · 02-26-2014, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

So let me get this straight - We're fortunate enough to have the best TE in the game on our team, and some people want to trade him away for a couple of draft picks that may or may not pan out?

This can't be real life.

Well just to be fair they're also eliminating a 12 million cap hit along with him, or rather they're freeing up 12 million of cap space AND getting a couple draft picks.

So you have...

A-Jimmy at 12 million per season (although we know that number will come down)

--OR--

B-Two high draft picks, AND 12 million per season to spend on other free-agents.

An example of option B would be two 1st round picks AND OC Alex Mack AND another CB like Keenan Lewis.

SaintLeonard · 02-26-2014, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Well just to be fair they're also eliminating a 12 million cap hit along with him, or rather they're freeing up 12 million of cap space AND getting a couple draft picks.

So you have...

A-Jimmy at 12 million per season (although we know that number will come down)

--OR--

B-Two high draft picks, AND 12 million per season to spend on other free-agents.

An example of option B would be two 1st round picks AND OC Alex Mack AND another CB like Keenan Lewis.

Those are two draft picks that may not pan out. There's also no guarantee we get Mack or another top flight CB. We'd have to compete with other teams for those players as well.

Yeah, I will definitely choose Graham.

blackangold · 02-26-2014, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

If we choose option B, we're getting two draft picks that, like I said, may not pan out. There's also no guarantee we get Mack or another top flight CB.

Yeah, I will definitely choose Graham.

We have had the #1 offense for many years before Jimmy, we will continue to have the #1 offense without him.

Jimmy may be priceless to many teams, but he is not priceless to us. We are successful because of the system. He is not worth 10mil per year to us, but I wont argue his market value is less than that.

TheOak · 02-26-2014, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by SaintLeonard

Those are two draft picks that may not pan out. There's also no guarantee we get Mack or another top flight CB. We'd have to compete with other teams for those players as well.

Yeah, I will definitely choose Graham.

And the 12m cap hit, meaning we have to cut at least 6m more in players, not resign any free agents, and cant afford to pay a practice squad or players we draft?

papz · 02-26-2014, 02:53 PM

I find the idea of signing Alex Mack, a center to a 8-9 million dollar yearly contract more absurd than hypothetically paying Graham 12 million.

The big difference is that's what it's going to take to sign Mack while Graham is certainly not going to get 12 million per.

I still can't understand why people think signing Graham is going to cripple us or something... as if we're still not going to be able to sign free agents. We were in a tight cap situation last year and it didn't prevent us from signing Lewis.

This reeks of the PT thread where people started rag dolling Pierre Thomas for what he supposedly wanted the other year... and got nothing remotely close to it.

02-26-2014, 01:59 PM	#1
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by SaintLeonard So let me get this straight - We're fortunate enough to have the best TE in the game on our team, and some people want to trade him away for a couple of draft picks that may or may not pan out? This can't be real life. You couldn't be more on target. Graham is a TD machine and will get better each year. Trade him? Drop him? I don't get it.
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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,479 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by exile You couldn't be more on target. Graham is a TD machine and will get better each year. Trade him? Drop him? I don't get it. We would love additional modalities such as the ultimate-blocking-machine and the ultimate-show-up-at-big-games-machine to complement the TD machine. halloween 65 and rezburna like this.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by SmashMouth We would love additional modalities such as the ultimate-blocking-machine and the ultimate-show-up-at-big-games-machine to complement the TD machine. Exactly. I wish I would've seen the machine in the playoffs. Or against New England. Or the Jets. Or Carolina. Etc..

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SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by rezburna Exactly. I wish I would've seen the machine in the playoffs. Or against New England. Or the Jets. Or Carolina. Etc.. ??? Graham @ NYJ: 9 recs, 116 yards, 2 TDs Graham @ Car: 5 recs, 73 yards, 1 TD

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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by rezburna Exactly. I wish I would've seen the machine in the playoffs. Or against New England. Or the Jets. Or Carolina. Etc.. Against the Jets he had 116 yards and two touchdowns, In the two games against Carolina he had 131 yards and 3 touchdowns. And if he's being taken out of so many games, how did he end up with over 1200 yards for the season? And if every one knows how to shut him out of games, how did he get 16 touchdowns? Which receivers can't get shut out? How many scores did they get? ScottF likes this.

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Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,748	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by SaintLeonard So let me get this straight - We're fortunate enough to have the best TE in the game on our team, and some people want to trade him away for a couple of draft picks that may or may not pan out? This can't be real life. Well just to be fair they're also eliminating a 12 million cap hit along with him, or rather they're freeing up 12 million of cap space AND getting a couple draft picks. So you have... A-Jimmy at 12 million per season (although we know that number will come down) --OR-- B-Two high draft picks, AND 12 million per season to spend on other free-agents. An example of option B would be two 1st round picks AND OC Alex Mack AND another CB like Keenan Lewis.

02-26-2014, 02:31 PM	#7
SaintLeonard Bounty hunter Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 490	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by Danno Well just to be fair they're also eliminating a 12 million cap hit along with him, or rather they're freeing up 12 million of cap space AND getting a couple draft picks. So you have... A-Jimmy at 12 million per season (although we know that number will come down) --OR-- B-Two high draft picks, AND 12 million per season to spend on other free-agents. An example of option B would be two 1st round picks AND OC Alex Mack AND another CB like Keenan Lewis. Those are two draft picks that may not pan out. There's also no guarantee we get Mack or another top flight CB. We'd have to compete with other teams for those players as well. Yeah, I will definitely choose Graham.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by SaintLeonard If we choose option B, we're getting two draft picks that, like I said, may not pan out. There's also no guarantee we get Mack or another top flight CB. Yeah, I will definitely choose Graham. We have had the #1 offense for many years before Jimmy, we will continue to have the #1 offense without him. Jimmy may be priceless to many teams, but he is not priceless to us. We are successful because of the system. He is not worth 10mil per year to us, but I wont argue his market value is less than that.

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? Originally Posted by SaintLeonard Those are two draft picks that may not pan out. There's also no guarantee we get Mack or another top flight CB. We'd have to compete with other teams for those players as well. Yeah, I will definitely choose Graham. And the 12m cap hit, meaning we have to cut at least 6m more in players, not resign any free agents, and cant afford to pay a practice squad or players we draft? B_Dub_Saint likes this.

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papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,768	Re: Jimmy Graham demanding 12 million per season? I find the idea of signing Alex Mack, a center to a 8-9 million dollar yearly contract more absurd than hypothetically paying Graham 12 million. The big difference is that's what it's going to take to sign Mack while Graham is certainly not going to get 12 million per. I still can't understand why people think signing Graham is going to cripple us or something... as if we're still not going to be able to sign free agents. We were in a tight cap situation last year and it didn't prevent us from signing Lewis. This reeks of the PT thread where people started rag dolling Pierre Thomas for what he supposedly wanted the other year... and got nothing remotely close to it. exile likes this.
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