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blackangold 01-17-2015 10:31 AM

PFF 2015 free agents
 
Check out the list of FA and their rankings according to PFF here: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...gency-tracker/

Here is the list of our FAs:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...rleans-saints/


Walker is very under-valued and needs to be brought back with a larger role. Outside of walker everyone is very replaceable, even Ingram only rates at 1.8, that's slightly above average.

Stat that stood out to me; Goodwin rated at -6.8 and DLP rated at +4.3. Almost every player we let go during the off-season played better than the players who replaced them. Our problem is coaching/motivation, not talent.

So who do we target first?

Does Mickey pull another from his hat and sign a big time player?

jeanpierre 01-17-2015 10:59 AM

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Three free agents who'd have the greatest impact on the Saints

C Stefen Wisniewski - Hudson of KC may have a better rating, but this guy has no one around him and he's played guard...

G Clint Boling - he's had a small sampling, but he performed well against some good AFC North D-Linemen

NT Terrence Cody - still believe Jenkins will be fine once he heals, but this would be an excellent young guy to have that position young and always fresh to disrupt the middle...

Also, wouldn't mind vetting out RB Darren McFadden...

K Major 01-17-2015 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 637659)

Also, wouldn't mind vetting out RB Darren McFadden...

I have been a big fan of DMF since he came out of Arkansas but damn, can he stay healthy a full season?

MarchingOn 01-17-2015 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 637659)
Three free agents who'd have the greatest impact on the Saints

C Stefen Wisniewski - Hudson of KC may have a better rating, but this guy has no one around him and he's played guard...

G Clint Boling - he's had a small sampling, but he performed well against some good AFC North D-Linemen

NT Terrence Cody - still believe Jenkins will be fine once he heals, but this would be an excellent young guy to have that position young and always fresh to disrupt the middle...

Also, wouldn't mind vetting out RB Darren McFadden...

Like these! A good Center who can play Guard.

I wanted us to take big body NT Cody (Alabama) in 2010 because (even then) everyone could run on us up the middle.

That Draft, we took CB Robinson with last pick of the 1st instead of trading down. Or, we could've traded up 7+ spots from our 2nd pick where we screwed up again in taking OT Charlie Brown.

hagan714 01-18-2015 05:55 AM

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C Stefen Wisniewski lets see what his asking price is. i have read he might just price him self out of oakland and think he might think his worth is way more than his level of play. I like to point out the guy is not the greatest shot gun center around. matter of fact he is still got some work to do in that department. but he is young 26 and just did the switch so lets see what happens.

NT Dan Williams is still atop my FA wish list. we got enough back up beef already. need a starter.

ILB Mason Foster i really hope they let him slip through the cracks in tampa. this is my roll the dice guy in FA. injury-plagued this year i know but this is the first year he has not played 15 or more games.

dizzle88 01-18-2015 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 637698)
C Stefen Wisniewski lets see what his asking price is. i have read he might just price him self out of oakland and think he might think his worth is way more than his level of play. I like to point out the guy is not the greatest shot gun center around. matter of fact he is still got some work to do in that department. but he is young 26 and just did the switch so lets see what happens.

NT Dan Williams is still atop my FA wish list. we got enough back up beef already. need a starter.

ILB Mason Foster i really hope they let him slip through the cracks in tampa. this is my roll the dice guy in FA. injury-plagued this year i know but this is the first year he has not played 15 or more games.

Isn't lavonte David available this year too? If he is I doubt Tampa can pay them both.

vpheughan 01-18-2015 07:12 AM

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We'll sign: A TE, A FB, A LB, A SS or FS and of course a bunch of washed up PK.

brees84 01-18-2015 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 637672)
I have been a big fan of DMF since he came out of Arkansas but damn, can he stay healthy a full season?


Last 3 seasons: 3,3 yards per carry

Last 4 games in 2014: 4, 2, 9, 4 run attempts.

This season is the first time he didn't miss any games but he was ineffective and limited.

hagan714 01-18-2015 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 637699)
Isn't lavonte David available this year too? If he is I doubt Tampa can pay them both.

yep that is why i think there is a chance Mason Foster will be out there.

ChrisXVI 01-18-2015 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 637699)
Isn't lavonte David available this year too? If he is I doubt Tampa can pay them both.

No. David's under contract through 2015.

hagan714 01-18-2015 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 637757)
No. David's under contract through 2015.

your right but they are trying to get him locked up now.

Buccaneers want to extend Lavonte David's contract - Bucs Nation

that could cost 8 to 10 mill right there

Rugby Saint II 01-21-2015 06:29 PM

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But.......but.........what about CB?

jeanpierre 01-21-2015 11:47 PM

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Everyone say it with me...

Win the Line of Scrimmage, Win the Game...

jeanpierre 01-29-2015 06:26 AM

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With some reworked contracts and player releases:

OL Stefen Wisniewski
LG Clint Boling
OLB Brandon Graham

And if we hadn't done Galette's stupid contract, we could add:
NT Dan Williams
CB Chris Culliver

And we'd have a nice little haul in free agency...

blackangold 01-29-2015 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 638992)
With some reworked contracts and player releases:

OL Stefen Wisniewski
LG Clint Boling
OLB Brandon Graham

And if we hadn't done Galette's stupid contract, we could add:
NT Dan Williams
CB Chris Culliver

And we'd have a nice little haul in free agency...

Gallete's cap number is going to be greatly reduced, Mickey set it up that way last year. There is one thing we can all count on, we will sign someone big in FA that no one thought we could get. Mickey always works the cap well.

brees84 01-29-2015 10:00 AM

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I'll try to sign Bryan Bulaga if the price is right. Extremely underrated player. Only 25 years old. That's your starting RT for the next 5-6 years...

WillSaints81 01-30-2015 02:07 AM

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We need to sign a leader, thats for certain. Maybe more than 1.

jeanpierre 01-30-2015 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 639004)
I'll try to sign Bryan Bulaga if the price is right. Extremely underrated player. Only 25 years old. That's your starting RT for the next 5-6 years...

You've already got the same player at Right Tackle....

I'd sign two younger, interior linemen (I suggested Stefan Wisniewski and Clint Boling); you'll see more of an impact at those positions...

jeanpierre 01-31-2015 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 638997)
Gallete's cap number is going to be greatly reduced, Mickey set it up that way last year. There is one thing we can all count on, we will sign someone big in FA that no one thought we could get. Mickey always works the cap well.

That's what worries me...we put all our collective FA money on someone big last season (Byrd) a free agent with checkered health history in the NFL and I'm concerned about repeating that mistake...

lee909 01-31-2015 05:26 AM

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I was and assuming he doesn't end up on IR each year am happy with the signing of Byrd last year. It was a ....fest all over the field last year but get him a good SS to play with a let Vaccaro roam the field and we will be fine next year. I would have rather signed Alex Mack if we could have tempted him though

sfruge26 01-31-2015 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 637659)
Three free agents who'd have the greatest impact on the Saints



C Stefen Wisniewski - Hudson of KC may have a better rating, but this guy has no one around him and he's played guard...



G Clint Boling - he's had a small sampling, but he performed well against some good AFC North D-Linemen



NT Terrence Cody - still believe Jenkins will be fine once he heals, but this would be an excellent young guy to have that position young and always fresh to disrupt the middle...



Also, wouldn't mind vetting out RB Darren McFadden...


What is people's infatuation with Terrence Cody? Is it the name recognition or the Alabama ties? It sure as hell isn't based on merit. The dude played like 6-7 snaps ALL SEASON last year. He had one decent year in 2011 and has done next to nothing since. This is back when he was actually seeing action and at his "playing weight"...

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jeanpierre 01-31-2015 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 639139)
I was and assuming he doesn't end up on IR each year am happy with the signing of Byrd last year. It was a ....fest all over the field last year but get him a good SS to play with a let Vaccaro roam the field and we will be fine next year. I would have rather signed Alex Mack if we could have tempted him though

Well, we can rectify that with either:

Stefen Wisniewski, C, 26 years
Rodney Hudson, C, 26 years

You know, with regards to Vaccaro, really thought of him as more of a free safety in the NFL, patrolling the mid-field; that's yet another reason I didn't like committing money to Byrd...

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Originally Posted by sfruge26 (Post 639141)
What is people's infatuation with Terrence Cody?

Well, it's more affordability...he did have success at one time, if I had my choice, I'd go get Pot Roast...

Terrance Knighton, NT, 29 years

I mean, you can't geaux wrong with Pot Roast...

saintsfan1976 01-31-2015 08:50 AM

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Read somewhere that a solid defense is built in a straight line.

NT - LB - S

What's missing here?

hagan714 01-31-2015 09:29 AM

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Terrance Knighton, NT, i think we missed the band wagon on this guy. should have gone after him when he and jack ran off to denver.

now he will be looking for the huge pay day and bring to town a hige weight issue problem? nope missed the boot on him IMO

I will take these two over Terrance for cap reasons and improved play over the past few years.

NT
Dan Williams, NT, Cardinals. Age: 28
Kenrick Ellis, NT, Jets. Age: 27.


ILB

Mason Foster, ILB, Buccaneers. Age: 26
Light comes on in 2015 gamble signing

Bruce Carter, OLB, Cowboys. Age: 27.
for the love of god put him back at ILB in 34 already

which from the cowboys scrape heap do you want? there are a few. :bugeyes:

jeanpierre 02-01-2015 08:39 AM

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Like the Cardinals' Dan Williams as well, but he doesn't control the point on passing plays as well as on run plays...

J-E-T-S' Ellis is great, but isn't he a restricted free agent?!?

K Major 02-01-2015 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 639153)

Bruce Carter, OLB, Cowboys. Age: 27.
for the love of god put him back at ILB in 34 already

which from the cowboys scrape heap do you want? there are a few. :bugeyes:

Bruce has his moments but takes off too many plays for me.

Since you speak of the Cows, here is one for you Hagin ... Sean Lee.

Edit: Sean is not a UFA however Rolando McClain is. He has great size, speed and arrives with bad intentions.

Thoughts on McClain?

FinSaint 02-01-2015 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 639142)
Terrance Knighton, NT, 29 years

I mean, you can't geaux wrong with Pot Roast...

I was beating the drum about this guy when he was available after leaving JAX, but many referred to his weight issues and lack of effort as a reason to disregard him.

Man, I wish the Saints had signed him then, much like I had hoped they would sign Canty before he went to Baltimore.

jeanpierre 02-01-2015 01:28 PM

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I think the priorities in Free Agency have to be two new interior offensive linemen that are still young, entering their primes...

Should cap space be created that wouldn't further worsen the eventual cap doomesday we're facing, then a nose tackle to rotate with Jenkins or a space gobbling/ multi-blocker occupying defense end (i.e. Wilks, Geathers) ro allow Hicks to slide to the nose tackle rotation would be the next priority...

Know the inclination for many is another cornerback, but look, as pathetic as some of those 3rd and long plays that broke our backs was, c'mon, there was waaaay too much time for opposing quarterbacks on those plays...

hagan714 02-01-2015 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 639239)
Like the Cardinals' Dan Williams as well, but he doesn't control the point on passing plays as well as on run plays...

J-E-T-S' Ellis is great, but isn't he a restricted free agent?!?


nope UFA

neither is huge in pass rush but against the run they are solid

lee909 02-02-2015 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 639289)
I think the priorities in Free Agency have to be two new interior offensive linemen that are still young, entering their primes...

Should cap space be created that wouldn't further worsen the eventual cap doomesday we're facing,

Not sure the cap is quite that bad
Most of the big earners are at a point of being cutable next year and Brees contract will be off the books a couple of years later. Its going to hurt and will probably mean a year or two of struggle but i dont thinks its the end. Well not unless Loomis,Payton call a end to there stay aswell then its all up in the air for a rebuild.

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 639289)
Know the inclination for many is another cornerback, but look, as pathetic as some of those 3rd and long plays that broke our backs was, c'mon, there was waaaay too much time for opposing quarterbacks on those plays...

Agree on this,at times ladt year we could have had Revis,Sherman and Chancellor back there and still be cut apart. Need pressure

jeanpierre 02-02-2015 08:29 PM

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jeanpierre 02-05-2015 07:12 AM

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Another key date to consider will be 26 February, Galette's court date...

Loomis may not have to get too creative and Galette's recent extra-curricular activities may give the Saints even more cap relief...

First court date tentatively set for Saints linebacker Junior Galette after domestic violence arrest | Saints | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, Louisiana

hagan714 02-05-2015 07:23 AM

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March 10

- Prior to 4 p.m. ET, clubs must exercise options for 2015 on all players who have option clauses in their 2014 contracts

- Prior to 4 p.m. ET, clubs must submit qualifying offers to their Restricted Free Agents with expiring contracts and to whom they desire to retain a Right of First Refusal/Compensation

- Prior to 4 p.m. ET, clubs must submit a Minimum Salary Tender to retain exclusive negotiating rights to their players with expiring 2014 contracts and who have fewer than three accrued seasons of free agency credit

- Top-51 Begins. All clubs must be under the 2015 salary cap prior to 4 p.m. ET

sharpen those pencils Micky and get to subtracting :bng:

jeanpierre 02-05-2015 08:48 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 639887)
Another key date to consider will be 26 February, Galette's court date...

Loomis may not have to get too creative and Galette's recent extra-curricular activities may give the Saints even more cap relief...

First court date tentatively set for Saints linebacker Junior Galette after domestic violence arrest | Saints | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, Louisiana

Then again, Galette may be less inclined to convert his contract for a friendlier cap contract if it would expose more of that bonus to suspension forfeiture...

jjasso007 02-05-2015 06:30 PM

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Free agents I'd like us to look at which wouldn't break the bank

OLB: Derrick Morgan - Ten
OLB: Pernel McPhee - BLT

CB: Perrish Cox - SF
CB: Sterling Moore - DAL

WR: Jarrett Boykin - GB

DT: Kendrick Ellis - NYJ
DT: Tommy Kelly - AZ

K Major 02-05-2015 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jjasso007 (Post 639960)
Free agents I'd like us to look at which wouldn't break the bank


CB: Sterling Moore - DAL

Jjasso007,

I like all of your selections with the exception of this one. He was hot garbage more times than not for the Cows. I don't think he would be an upgrade over what we already have (not really saying much).

If we weren't so financially strapped salary cap wise, I would make a move for Vonte Davis.

jeanpierre 02-06-2015 10:37 AM

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DT Tommy Kelly is still alive?!?

jeanpierre 02-06-2015 01:39 PM

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If we could accomplish an offensive line through Free Agency of:

LT Terron Armstead, Arkansas-Pine Bluff; 6' 5" 305 lbs, age 23

LG Clint Boling, Georgia (FA-Cincinnati); 6' 5", 311 lbs., age 25

C Stefen Wisniewski, Penn State (FA-Oakland); 6' 3", 307 lbs, age 25

RG Jahri Evans, Bloomberg; 6' 4", 318 lbs., age 31

RT Zach Strief, Northwestern; 6' 7"; 320 lbs., age 31

I'd really like our chances next season...

jeanpierre 02-08-2015 02:38 PM

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Stefen Wisniewski not accepting Raiders contract offers - Silver And Black Pride

hagan714 02-10-2015 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 640191)


my fear with him is not so much wanting out of town as much as he might be trusting his agent too much and over valuing himself

i am watching GB

Bryan Bulaga
- highly unlikely he gets out of town

Randall Cobb
- great chance he walks but that will be a good size contract

dreams


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