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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I respect both you guys, and maybe you can live with a guy who leads the league in horrible stats, but I can\'t. Says nothing about me, says nothing about you guys, just shows where we are willing to draw ...
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02-17-2005, 05:28 PM | #51 |
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02-17-2005, 05:32 PM | #52 |
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Yards allowed is a team stat. Did Joe Horn also have 3500 passing yards? You are just being silly now kool. I am sure you know the difference between INDIVIDUAL and TEAM stats. But if that is how you deflect from Brooks, have at it. I see where you come from now on this argument, and realize it makes no sense for me to diagree with you cause you are entrenched in defending him. It\'s all good. He\'s your guy, I get it. I won\'t beat myself up about it anymore thinking you are riding the fence, when you are really a supporter.
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Anyway, here\'s my analysis... My ***esment, or ***umption, is that p***es will now be called from the ***istant coaches which I feel may be an ***ett now. ***igning blame and ***ailing Brooks\' for everything he does borders on character ******ination and har***ment. I can probably ***emble a beautiful video tape, without much ***istance of Brooks ***ention from a rookie to the ***et he has become to this ***ortment of underachieving athletes. I ***ure you it would ***ist in convincing the detractors of his value to this team. It wold be a m***ive task, but the m***es may come around. |
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Whodi,
Thanks for that most recent post. That sounded like what I was getting at. You and I agree that Brooks is a problem. All along, I\'ve only been defending him (not absolving him - since that means saying he has no fault) because I think relative to some other options (no matter how bad he has been), he is better than THOSE options. The point isn\'t to say that he is a good QB, or even that he is good for the team. The point is to say, relative to our other problems (and the options we have for replacing him) he isn\'t that bad. Furthermore, see my point regarding stats. I just think, in a team game, sometimes (not always) it makes sense to look at why someone\'s stats are the way they are. I hear you on the number of years thing, but I\'m not convinced - see my \"only fixed thing\" argument above. I DO AGREE THAT BROOKS IS A PROBLEM. HE MAKES DUMB MISTAKES AND HE DOES HURT THE TEAM. EVERYONE AGREES WITH THAT. The disagreement is about whether he should be replaced and with whom. Obviously, we want to make decisions on the basis of the whole game, not just a handful of stats. If I were to ask, why did Hasselbeck\'s stats drop off last year, and someone were to say \"his WR dropped a lot of balls\", I would think, \"oh, ok, so his stats are not all on him\". That seems reasonable. I didn\'t stop thinking that his drop off was somewhat his fault, I just think it is less his fault than before. I don\'t understand why that is confusing? |
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I\'m sorry that I don\'t agree that Brooks just plain sucks. I\'ve stated my view elsewhere, and I am on the fence when it comes to him. What I\'m not on the fence about is the way you have treated me in this argument. I thought we were getting somewhere, but you obviously prefer to make it about me rather than about the ideas. I don\'t like that at all. |
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Danno.
Now that I\'ve managed to decode your post, I think I agree somewhat. Is that what you really think? |
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It\'s not about you Kool, it\'s about you saying you are on the fence, then you defend harder than anyone. Frogive me if that would be confusing. The yeah so and so does this BUT argument does not seem like someone who is on the fence to me. It seems like you very much know where you stand on this issue, and anyone who reads this thread and didn\'t know you would see the same. No need to take it personal, just shows me how things are. Doesn\'t change the facts that you arguments are intelligent and challenging, just changes how I have to approach them.
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[Edited on 17/2/2005 by saintswhodi] |