2016 NFL Draft Prospect Thread ...............

[WhoDatFan26]

Originally Posted by blackangold

Cooks could be a number 1 and Snead is a great compliment in the slot. Personally I think Coleman steps up big for us and becomes our number 2.

OG needs to be addressed, no issues there. TE really needs to be addressed as well, maybe as high as the 3rd.

Safety I don't agree with. We have good DBs (aside from Browner), but they need support from a pass rush. We have 1 good D-lineman in Jordan, outside of him we have a bunch of rotational/practice squad guys. If we keep giving QBs 5 seconds to throw it wont matter what DBs we have.

You are correct. That is why I wanted us to take Bud Dupree from Kentucky last year. Dude was big enough to play on the Line across from Cam Jordan.

Guys remember the last time we made the playoffs we had 49 sacks, the 4th Ranked Defense and the 2nd best Pass Defense in Football. It all starts with Pressure. As Great as Cam Jordan has been, just think how much better he can be with someone else who can apply pressure. The First Pick has to be another edge rusher. If not there is no way we win more than 7 games for a third straight year.

[hagan714]

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

You are correct. That is why I wanted us to take Bud Dupree from Kentucky last year. Dude was big enough to play on the Line across from Cam Jordan.

Guys remember the last time we made the playoffs we had 49 sacks, the 4th Ranked Defense and the 2nd best Pass Defense in Football. It all starts with Pressure. As Great as Cam Jordan has been, just think how much better he can be with someone else who can apply pressure. The First Pick has to be another edge rusher. If not there is no way we win more than 7 games for a third straight year.

sound logic so i agree BUT as Drew goes so do the saints. Defense in the draft and FA has been this teams main focus for the past few years and well as JP pointed out, some of the old guard is, well just getting old.

I look at this draft as the last draft prior to a huge cap spending spree on FA in 2017. I am expecting more than a few new faces on the teams in 2017. I would expect the saints to draft solid on defense but this should be a year of BPA over need is more than ever. 2017 veteran FA will plug the huge needs

On the bright side this is a solid year for 43 DL players so that should be addressed without a doubt. It will be hard to miss them no matter what round we are picking in. Starters up for grabs through round 3? good chance and excellent depth prospects from there on out.

So I think we have a chance to all be happy if the FO listens to us for a change

I am also not canceling out one solid if not semi big move in FA regarding either postilion

OG Marshal Yanda, Alex Boone, Manny Ramirez, Ryan Wendell, Ramon Foster, Todd Herremans, Amini Silatolu, J.R. Sweezy, Richie Incognito, Stefen Wisniewski.

DE: Jason Pierre-Paul, Cam Heyward, Muhammad Wilkerson, Corey Liuget, Phil Taylor, Chandler Jones, William Hayes, Robert Ayers, Olivier Vernon, Malik Jackson.

Not a bad list of options after the top dogs come off the board. I have not updated my list with any new contracts or stuff for a while

I am watching Malik Jackson DE Denver closely. up and coming young gun. solid against the run and shows great improvement as a pass rusher. Von Miller signing may mean he slips away from the Broncos. He is one of the upside players still that is just starting to prove he can play in the NFL so buy now because next time around he may not come this cheap. 5th year player showing his worth in 2015 as a full time starter. We might get away with one here

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by hagan714

I am also not canceling out one solid if not semi big move in FA regarding either postilion

OG Marshal Yanda, Alex Boone, Manny Ramirez, Ryan Wendell, Ramon Foster, Todd Herremans, Amini Silatolu, J.R. Sweezy, Richie Incognito, Stefen Wisniewski.

DE: Jason Pierre-Paul, Cam Heyward, Muhammad Wilkerson, Corey Liuget, Phil Taylor, Chandler Jones, William Hayes, Robert Ayers, Olivier Vernon, Malik Jackson.

Not a bad list of options after the top dogs come off the board. I have not updated my list with any new contracts or stuff for a while

Hagan...

Take Yanda off your list...

Source: Marshal Yanda, Ravens agree on 4-year, $32M deal - NFL.com

Wanted to draft Wilkerson out of Temple, but he broke his leg in the last game of the season and I don't think we need more Byrd-types...

And you probably have more access in New England (geez do you guys have sports information access) re: Chandler Jones and his drug debacle (is it me or is the NFL drug screening used just to get rid of bad contracts and bad players?)...

Take Pierre-Paul off the list, don't won't a guy that can't give his teammates a high five, especially because of their own stupidity...

Still say we should sign NT Damon Harrison and run the 3-4 as we've got the personnel under contract to do it; and just draft for depth, development behind those starters; paired up with Malik Jackson and Cam Jordan on the other side - that wouldn't be too shabby...

[hagan714]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Hagan...

Still say we should sign NT Damon Harrison and run the 3-4 as we've got the personnel under contract to do it; and just draft for depth, development behind those starters; paired up with Malik Jackson and Cam Jordan on the other side - that wouldn't be too shabby...

Muhammad Wilkerson gets the franchise tag? Harrison could slip through the cracks.

But that might fall into a huge FA signing if the saints did pull it off. There is no doubt about when it comes to Harrison, the dude does not come off the field. for a man that size it is simple amazing. I would be ecstatic with his signing.

Chandler Jones the pats will get to the bottom of it and suspend him in a heart beat. Wes could not escape Bills wrath so neither will Jones, playoffs or no playoffs. So i will keep him on the list as a player that may come cheap due to off the field issues and you can sign him to a prove it short term contract. So lets see what happens.

[WhoDatFan26]

Originally Posted by hagan714

sound logic so i agree BUT as Drew goes so do the saints. Defense in the draft and FA has been this teams main focus for the past few years and well as JP pointed out, some of the old guard is, well just getting old.

I look at this draft as the last draft prior to a huge cap spending spree on FA in 2017. I am expecting more than a few new faces on the teams in 2017. I would expect the saints to draft solid on defense but this should be a year of BPA over need is more than ever. 2017 veteran FA will plug the huge needs

On the bright side this is a solid year for 43 DL players so that should be addressed without a doubt. It will be hard to miss them no matter what round we are picking in. Starters up for grabs through round 3? good chance and excellent depth prospects from there on out.

So I think we have a chance to all be happy if the FO listens to us for a change

I am also not canceling out one solid if not semi big move in FA regarding either postilion

OG Marshal Yanda, Alex Boone, Manny Ramirez, Ryan Wendell, Ramon Foster, Todd Herremans, Amini Silatolu, J.R. Sweezy, Richie Incognito, Stefen Wisniewski.

DE: Jason Pierre-Paul, Cam Heyward, Muhammad Wilkerson, Corey Liuget, Phil Taylor, Chandler Jones, William Hayes, Robert Ayers, Olivier Vernon, Malik Jackson.

Not a bad list of options after the top dogs come off the board. I have not updated my list with any new contracts or stuff for a while

I am watching Malik Jackson DE Denver closely. up and coming young gun. solid against the run and shows great improvement as a pass rusher. Von Miller signing may mean he slips away from the Broncos. He is one of the upside players still that is just starting to prove he can play in the NFL so buy now because next time around he may not come this cheap. 5th year player showing his worth in 2015 as a full time starter. We might get away with one here

Both Coach Payton and Mickey have stated no more wild spending in free agency. We will be building through the draft. You build through the draft, get younger cheaper, deeper. DE, LB, G, TE, WR, NT.

[hagan714]

Originally Posted by WhoDatFan26

Both Coach Payton and Mickey have stated no more wild spending in free agency. We will be building through the draft. You build through the draft, get younger cheaper, deeper. DE, LB, G, TE, WR, NT.

that is why i am looking at young guns in FA that should be mid level FA. ok some pipe dreaming is in there

I agree draft is a huge key and failures we had in the past few years have hurt this team big time. I am a firm believer in the draft as the #1 way to build an entire team not just starters. I also believe the draft is the best tool in controlling ones cap figures. Also an area the bad drafts have killed us.

My top 2015 FA shopping list was a run stuffing space eater

Dan Williams (Signed 4-year, $25M deal with OAK)
Vs
Brandon Browner (Signed 3-year, $15M deal with NO)
C.J. Spiller (Signed 4-year, $16M deal with NO)

Solid YOUNG mid priced talent in the trenches can be had but you need to be willing to roll dice a bit. Dump the glamor positions ie CB RB from your shopping list. Glamor potions are better filled in the draft than FA IMO. Especially when your dealing a cap issue.

Unless your seriously in the running for a super bowl by pass the glamor positions in FA. The saints have not had a true shot at the super bowl since the day they signed Rob Ryan. Year 1 he almost got me to eat crow. But he proved me right in Seattle and lost the game for the saints, After that it was pointless. It honestly was pointless after the Pats game that year.

Neither Browner nor Spiller were on my radar and neither signing got me excited. To much dough for two players with issues. Heck i would have bypassed Byrd in heartbeat when i heard the contract amount.

A single player in my opinion would have been and was a safer and wiser move financially.

So if a solid YOUNG DL or OL player can be had at a fair price in FA you gotta go with it if you can.

Manage your cap through the draft as you said is huge. But now we need to get the most out the wasted dollars already spent. Either FA or the draft, you gotta maximize those investments.

[WhoDatFan26]

Originally Posted by hagan714

that is why i am looking at young guns in FA that should be mid level FA. ok some pipe dreaming is in there

I agree draft is a huge key and failures we had in the past few years have hurt this team big time. I am a firm believer in the draft as the #1 way to build an entire team not just starters. I also believe the draft is the best tool in controlling ones cap figures. Also an area the bad drafts have killed us.

My top 2015 FA shopping list was a run stuffing space eater

Dan Williams (Signed 4-year, $25M deal with OAK)
Vs
Brandon Browner (Signed 3-year, $15M deal with NO)
C.J. Spiller (Signed 4-year, $16M deal with NO)

Solid YOUNG mid priced talent in the trenches can be had but you need to be willing to roll dice a bit. Dump the glamor positions ie CB RB from your shopping list. Glamor potions are better filled in the draft than FA IMO. Especially when your dealing a cap issue.

Unless your seriously in the running for a super bowl by pass the glamor positions in FA. The saints have not had a true shot at the super bowl since the day they signed Rob Ryan. Year 1 he almost got me to eat crow. But he proved me right in Seattle and lost the game for the saints, After that it was pointless. It honestly was pointless after the Pats game that year.

Neither Browner nor Spiller were on my radar and neither signing got me excited. To much dough for two players with issues. Heck i would have bypassed Byrd in heartbeat when i heard the contract amount.

A single player in my opinion would have been and was a safer and wiser move financially.

So if a solid YOUNG DL or OL player can be had at a fair price in FA you gotta go with it if you can.

Manage your cap through the draft as you said is huge. But now we need to get the most out the wasted dollars already spent. Either FA or the draft, you gotta maximize those investments.

Can't keep throwing money at a problem. To fix a problem you must eliminate the problem. That is why we got rid of the players we got rid of last year. That is also why we will be using the draft more wisely in the next 2 years. I even expect to see us trading positions to accumulate more picks to increase depth and overall talent level.